Denette615 & Odus (you'll see why), & suggestions encouraged

[Playerpiano72]

I like the Red Bone 2 a lot as well. It's unfermented, great for pain and relaxation. The Green Bone B33 and Green Milk are both fire, mid/fast greens. I did a 50/50 blend of red bone 2 and green bone b33 this evening and it was really fantastic.

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[WhiteAngelica]

11/5/20 Update - More Strains Added!

Adding another glowing report to the fast-moving reputation of Denette615. But for the sake of comparison, i'm doing a review of a long gone strain that i just auspiciously came in contact with again. We'll call this my measuring stick, for rating elite strains....

Odus Botanicals Red Elephants (from 2018) -

- Energy - 7/10: Enough not to drag you down. In the lower range of greens almost.
- Mood/Vibe - 9.5/10: Ridiculously enjoyable. Great strain for hanging out and being social. Or fucking off around nobody (how i normally am )
- Pain Relief - 9.5/10: Does the fuzzy blanket body buzz thing, w/ fantastic general pain relief.
- Overall - 9.5/10: Hard for me to rate anything a 10 ever, so basically it's a 10.

Best strain i've had up until trying Denette's, which is now tied. I've literally been looking for this kind of Red ever since first trying it. Back when i was ordering from Odus i recognized this one stood way apart from all the rest... None of his others came close. And, i just acquired some of this strain again from a friend who's been hoarding a kilo since 2018.... it's just as good as i remember it, even being gone way past it's "use by" date.

Denette615 Red Bones B32 -

- Energy - 7/10: Pretty close to what i described w/ the RE.
- Mood/Vibe - 10/10: Stupidly enjoyable. Could double as an antidepressant?
- Pain Relief - 9.5/10: Fuzzy blanket body buzz + pain relief, woohooo.
- Overall - 9.5/10: Crazy good.

Lots of hype around here about this one, and it's well deserved. This is a potent, pain relieving red that doesn't knock you out. In fact, it has plenty of energy to function w/ any of my normal tasks. A rare and illusive combination, hence the high demand.

Denette615 Green Bones B32 -

- Energy - 8/10: Keeps you going without feeling like a true stimulant.
- Mood/Vibe - 9.5/10: Bone strains must be known for this attribute. Issa vibe.
- Pain Relief - 7.5/10: Enough to make me forget about the neck pain, but still not on par with a red.
- Overall - 8.5/10: Another homerun. People who love greens shouldn't miss this.

I'll preface the lower score by saying i am way more partial to Red's than Greens. Though i will certainly be trying more now that i've discovered Denette's, since they're his self professed specialty.

Denette615 Green Vietnam -

- Energy - 7/10: Quite neutral, which is fine by me.
- Mood/Vibe - 5/10: Nothing extra in terms of euphoria, but a good candidate for mixing.
- Pain Relief - 8/10: Hits harder than the Green Bones, surprisingly.
- Overall - 7.5/10: Came as a sampler and was a nice surprise on the pain relief front.


Denette615 Green Grampa -

- Energy - 7.5/10: Just enough to matter. Slightly on the higher side of mid.. just a lil lift.
- Mood/Vibe - 7.5/10: Not the vibey-est strain, but the it's nice to have balance here.
- Pain Relief - 8.25/10: Damn good for a Green. Burned it enough times to say this one hits great
- Overall - 8.5/10: Getting above an 8.5 for me is a coveted spot. Getting above a 7 means it sits apart from everything else. This strain is super balanced and gives you a bit of everything. Very solid addition to my stash.

Denette615 Red Milk -

- Energy - 6/10: Slow, but not excessively. Can be a good candidate for mixing with a fast one.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Heavy red vibe-y goodness. Damn fine.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Getting up there with some of my favorites. Back pain is practically gone.
- Overall - 9/10: I've read that people with tolerance issues don't gel with some of the fermented strains..... but not me! This is the kind of stuff i want, always... body buzz, relief for my back pain, and good vibes. A D615 ace in the hole.

Denette615 Red MD KA10 -

- Energy - 8/10: The mid spec red that dreams are made of.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Had a really incredible experience with this stuff last weekend. Euphoria enough to just keep you smiling if you're already engaging in an enjoyable activity.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Damn. Went further beyond what i needed or expected. A nice surprise.
- Overall - 9.25/10: Still don't have enough burns with this to properly assess it's full capabilities, but i dropped 2g after my initial dose last Tuesday and reached a pinnacle of sensation that i haven't since my early Kratom days. Balanced and potent, yet leaning more on the pain relief side. My favorite type of strain in general.

Denette615 Red Jungle -

- Energy - 5/10: Heavy red is heavy. Which i didn't realize i liked until recently.
- Mood/Vibe - 7/10: Pretty cool sensation, just a bit slower than i typically want.. but still good.
- Pain Relief - 8.5/10: Good pain relief for a heavy red, but not as good as Red Milk or RMD.
- Overall - 7.5/10: Excellent strain to sample, though i'll probably keep searching for heavy reds that have a truly heavy body buzz. That's the trade off for me.. if it's gonna be slow, then it needs to be felt all the way down to my toes.

Denette615 Green Dragon -

- Energy - 8.5/10: Nice energy, but not speedy. "Focused", like many others have stated.
- Mood/Vibe - 7.5/10: Honestly it's tough to pinpoint, but it definitely feels more neutral.
- Pain Relief - 6/10: Not a strain suited for pain relief, so i don't expect it to deliver there.
- Overall - 8/10: Really tough to rate this one super high since i primarily use my faster strains for mixers. I might end up liking this strain more as time goes on, but for now it's a solid choice for speeding up my slower stuff, while not weakening the dose overall. I should really try it once purely on it's own, but i'm an evening user 95% of the time, so i don't often reach for fast stuff on it's own.

Denette615 Red Bones 2 MF-1 -

- Energy - 7/10: Another mid spec Red.. please for the love of god keep these coming.
- Mood/Vibe - 9/10: Nice, fuzzy bliss to go along with the pain relief. No mixer needed.
- Pain Relief - 9.25/10: Everything i ever want from a red.. strong, body buzz, neck pain decimated.
- Overall - 9.25/10: Though i only burned it this past Monday, i'm thinking this might be the closest thing to the legendary B32 bones available. It's obviously from a different supplier, but that means it has a different alkaloid profile, and can thus be cycled in with your other bones strains, without getting burned out on them. Def going to pick up more while i still can.

Denette615 Green Pure -

- Energy - 6.5/10: I honestly didn't notice an energy dip, but it's def on the slow side of mid.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Really surprised here.. it's so "clean" feeling that you just end up feeling great. Almost like drinking a high grade Japanese green tea.
- Pain Relief - 8.5/10: No slouch here - this is absolutely a green to take for pain relief.
- Overall - 9/10: Very very good experience with this strain. Since reds are my favorite, i've needed to balance in some other types in order to keep my burns strong. So the strategy now is - burn mostly reds starting after my 48h weekly break, then transfer over into greens midway through. The pure is almost "anti-red", as it has no weird heaviness to the head feeling after taking a strong dose. This is the matcha of kratom.

Denette615 Yellow Vietnam -

- Energy - 9/10: As fast as strain as i take, but still may not compare with most whites (which i don't take).
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: That vibrant energy can def give you a mood boost.. it did for me!
- Pain Relief - 8/10: I was surprised at how much relief it provided for a fast strain.
- Overall - *7.75/10: I put an asterisk here indicating a score change compared to my initial impressions. The first time i took this i was absolutely in love with the effects mentioned - Fast + pain relief. However i have noticed that this strain does not hit the same every time, sadly. Spacing the doses far apart in my cycle does keep it pretty fresh, but it doesn't seem like it's ever hit the same as the first time. However this is an EXCELLENT mixing strain.. you can use it to speed up anything slow you're taking, and create a wonderful, well-balanced burn. Others who take kratom for different reasons will absolutely love the energy and mood boost YV provides.

Denette615 Gold MD -

- Energy - 6.5/10: On the mid side of slow.
- Mood/Vibe - 8.5/10: Really surprised with how great i felt.. warm fuzzy blanket + mood boost equals a blissful experience.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Hits like a strong red, without feeling heavy. Body buzz + neck pain crushed.
- Overall - 9/10: I need more burns with this one, but I would absolutely say this is one of my favorite strains to take already. This is my first introduction to Gold strains, but i'd say it hits like a strong/heavy red, but without some of the typical drawbacks. I hope to god this strain keeps hitting consistently, because it checks all my boxes in terms of what i look for out of kratom. A+
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Denette is top notch as a vendor, and goes well beyond the standard fair when it comes to input & interaction. Rating-wise i had been swimming in a sea of 5's and 6's for quite a while now, and i feel like i've just stepped up to a higher tier. Being that his emphasis is on his green strains, does anyone have any other recommendation for strong Reds w/ neutral energy, but lots of pain relief and/or mood elevation? From Denette's or elsewhere...

That Odus Red Elephant sounds incredible. I was thinking I should order, as I LOVE a very good Red Elephant that sounds exactly like the description you gave, then I saw 2018. Duh, me!

[WhiteAngelica]

11/5/20 Update - More Strains Added!

Adding another glowing report to the fast-moving reputation of Denette615. But for the sake of comparison, i'm doing a review of a long gone strain that i just auspiciously came in contact with again. We'll call this my measuring stick, for rating elite strains....

Odus Botanicals Red Elephants (from 2018) -

- Energy - 7/10: Enough not to drag you down. In the lower range of greens almost.
- Mood/Vibe - 9.5/10: Ridiculously enjoyable. Great strain for hanging out and being social. Or fucking off around nobody (how i normally am )
- Pain Relief - 9.5/10: Does the fuzzy blanket body buzz thing, w/ fantastic general pain relief.
- Overall - 9.5/10: Hard for me to rate anything a 10 ever, so basically it's a 10.

Best strain i've had up until trying Denette's, which is now tied. I've literally been looking for this kind of Red ever since first trying it. Back when i was ordering from Odus i recognized this one stood way apart from all the rest... None of his others came close. And, i just acquired some of this strain again from a friend who's been hoarding a kilo since 2018.... it's just as good as i remember it, even being gone way past it's "use by" date.

Denette615 Red Bones B32 -

- Energy - 7/10: Pretty close to what i described w/ the RE.
- Mood/Vibe - 10/10: Stupidly enjoyable. Could double as an antidepressant?
- Pain Relief - 9.5/10: Fuzzy blanket body buzz + pain relief, woohooo.
- Overall - 9.5/10: Crazy good.

Lots of hype around here about this one, and it's well deserved. This is a potent, pain relieving red that doesn't knock you out. In fact, it has plenty of energy to function w/ any of my normal tasks. A rare and illusive combination, hence the high demand.

Denette615 Green Bones B32 -

- Energy - 8/10: Keeps you going without feeling like a true stimulant.
- Mood/Vibe - 9.5/10: Bone strains must be known for this attribute. Issa vibe.
- Pain Relief - 7.5/10: Enough to make me forget about the neck pain, but still not on par with a red.
- Overall - 8.5/10: Another homerun. People who love greens shouldn't miss this.

I'll preface the lower score by saying i am way more partial to Red's than Greens. Though i will certainly be trying more now that i've discovered Denette's, since they're his self professed specialty.

Denette615 Green Vietnam -

- Energy - 7/10: Quite neutral, which is fine by me.
- Mood/Vibe - 5/10: Nothing extra in terms of euphoria, but a good candidate for mixing.
- Pain Relief - 8/10: Hits harder than the Green Bones, surprisingly.
- Overall - 7.5/10: Came as a sampler and was a nice surprise on the pain relief front.


Denette615 Green Grampa -

- Energy - 7.5/10: Just enough to matter. Slightly on the higher side of mid.. just a lil lift.
- Mood/Vibe - 7.5/10: Not the vibey-est strain, but the it's nice to have balance here.
- Pain Relief - 8.25/10: Damn good for a Green. Burned it enough times to say this one hits great
- Overall - 8.5/10: Getting above an 8.5 for me is a coveted spot. Getting above a 7 means it sits apart from everything else. This strain is super balanced and gives you a bit of everything. Very solid addition to my stash.

Denette615 Red Milk -

- Energy - 6/10: Slow, but not excessively. Can be a good candidate for mixing with a fast one.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Heavy red vibe-y goodness. Damn fine.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Getting up there with some of my favorites. Back pain is practically gone.
- Overall - 9/10: I've read that people with tolerance issues don't gel with some of the fermented strains..... but not me! This is the kind of stuff i want, always... body buzz, relief for my back pain, and good vibes. A D615 ace in the hole.

Denette615 Red MD KA10 -

- Energy - 8/10: The mid spec red that dreams are made of.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Had a really incredible experience with this stuff last weekend. Euphoria enough to just keep you smiling if you're already engaging in an enjoyable activity.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Damn. Went further beyond what i needed or expected. A nice surprise.
- Overall - 9.25/10: Still don't have enough burns with this to properly assess it's full capabilities, but i dropped 2g after my initial dose last Tuesday and reached a pinnacle of sensation that i haven't since my early Kratom days. Balanced and potent, yet leaning more on the pain relief side. My favorite type of strain in general.

Denette615 Red Jungle -

- Energy - 5/10: Heavy red is heavy. Which i didn't realize i liked until recently.
- Mood/Vibe - 7/10: Pretty cool sensation, just a bit slower than i typically want.. but still good.
- Pain Relief - 8.5/10: Good pain relief for a heavy red, but not as good as Red Milk or RMD.
- Overall - 7.5/10: Excellent strain to sample, though i'll probably keep searching for heavy reds that have a truly heavy body buzz. That's the trade off for me.. if it's gonna be slow, then it needs to be felt all the way down to my toes.

Denette615 Green Dragon -

- Energy - 8.5/10: Nice energy, but not speedy. "Focused", like many others have stated.
- Mood/Vibe - 7.5/10: Honestly it's tough to pinpoint, but it definitely feels more neutral.
- Pain Relief - 6/10: Not a strain suited for pain relief, so i don't expect it to deliver there.
- Overall - 8/10: Really tough to rate this one super high since i primarily use my faster strains for mixers. I might end up liking this strain more as time goes on, but for now it's a solid choice for speeding up my slower stuff, while not weakening the dose overall. I should really try it once purely on it's own, but i'm an evening user 95% of the time, so i don't often reach for fast stuff on it's own.

Denette615 Red Bones 2 MF-1 -

- Energy - 7/10: Another mid spec Red.. please for the love of god keep these coming.
- Mood/Vibe - 9/10: Nice, fuzzy bliss to go along with the pain relief. No mixer needed.
- Pain Relief - 9.25/10: Everything i ever want from a red.. strong, body buzz, neck pain decimated.
- Overall - 9.25/10: Though i only burned it this past Monday, i'm thinking this might be the closest thing to the legendary B32 bones available. It's obviously from a different supplier, but that means it has a different alkaloid profile, and can thus be cycled in with your other bones strains, without getting burned out on them. Def going to pick up more while i still can.

Denette615 Green Pure -

- Energy - 6.5/10: I honestly didn't notice an energy dip, but it's def on the slow side of mid.
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: Really surprised here.. it's so "clean" feeling that you just end up feeling great. Almost like drinking a high grade Japanese green tea.
- Pain Relief - 8.5/10: No slouch here - this is absolutely a green to take for pain relief.
- Overall - 9/10: Very very good experience with this strain. Since reds are my favorite, i've needed to balance in some other types in order to keep my burns strong. So the strategy now is - burn mostly reds starting after my 48h weekly break, then transfer over into greens midway through. The pure is almost "anti-red", as it has no weird heaviness to the head feeling after taking a strong dose. This is the matcha of kratom.

Denette615 Yellow Vietnam -

- Energy - 9/10: As fast as strain as i take, but still may not compare with most whites (which i don't take).
- Mood/Vibe - 8/10: That vibrant energy can def give you a mood boost.. it did for me!
- Pain Relief - 8/10: I was surprised at how much relief it provided for a fast strain.
- Overall - *7.75/10: I put an asterisk here indicating a score change compared to my initial impressions. The first time i took this i was absolutely in love with the effects mentioned - Fast + pain relief. However i have noticed that this strain does not hit the same every time, sadly. Spacing the doses far apart in my cycle does keep it pretty fresh, but it doesn't seem like it's ever hit the same as the first time. However this is an EXCELLENT mixing strain.. you can use it to speed up anything slow you're taking, and create a wonderful, well-balanced burn. Others who take kratom for different reasons will absolutely love the energy and mood boost YV provides.

Denette615 Gold MD -

- Energy - 6.5/10: On the mid side of slow.
- Mood/Vibe - 8.5/10: Really surprised with how great i felt.. warm fuzzy blanket + mood boost equals a blissful experience.
- Pain Relief - 9/10: Hits like a strong red, without feeling heavy. Body buzz + neck pain crushed.
- Overall - 9/10: I need more burns with this one, but I would absolutely say this is one of my favorite strains to take already. This is my first introduction to Gold strains, but i'd say it hits like a strong/heavy red, but without some of the typical drawbacks. I hope to god this strain keeps hitting consistently, because it checks all my boxes in terms of what i look for out of kratom. A+
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Denette is top notch as a vendor, and goes well beyond the standard fair when it comes to input & interaction. Rating-wise i had been swimming in a sea of 5's and 6's for quite a while now, and i feel like i've just stepped up to a higher tier. Being that his emphasis is on his green strains, does anyone have any other recommendation for strong Reds w/ neutral energy, but lots of pain relief and/or mood elevation? From Denette's or elsewhere...

Here is a repertoire for my current pain killing needs, as well as ones I've used for years...

TFH: Classic RMD (a bit more energetic), Red Bali Reserve (a little lower for mid-spec for me, and Red Kampung (dreamy evening strain.) Oh, 30 Year Wild Red TFH.

Botanical Bunny: Rojo Loco when in stock, and MD Kapuas Red (a little slower on the spectrum, but they didn't make me fall asleep standing up or anything) I can't emphasize enough that in the past, the first answer I would have given you would have been Roco Loco. I discovered it and bought kilos at a time. Considered it 'my pain medicine.' It hasn't been on the menu for awhile, but I should message him and ask when it will return.

Leaves of Eden: Eden's Fire Red--A good pain killing day red I like to always keep in stock. Also: Premium Red Pure

Denette 615: Red Bone, fine pain killer and energy, but I also really often favor the warm glow of Reds that wrap you in a luxurious blanket...will try D. again. The RB was my first order.

Happy Hippo: I know, I know. They are expensive. But they have several red strains that boost mood and kill pain, ranging from fast to slow. They have sales every week or so, but my budget is tight and it is a rare occasion I get to purchase. When I do, the reds are intense.

Rhino: I have found Red River, PRH and Red Malay to be standouts. Some time ago he had Premium Red Vein and it was the best thing in the world.

Heaven Leaf: She carries fewer reds than greens, but what I've tried has always been standout. Premium Red Horn, Jungle Red, RHK...etc. Currently, the Dark Red MD is helping me, and en route is Premium Red Vein, which I anticipate to be strong.

Mmm Speciosa: back in the day, a fave. Not totally affordable, but with every amount you order, there is a freebie. I would usually order Red Plantation, and any other one of the Reds. For example, buy 25g Red Bali for 11.99, get a free second 25g (which I would get as Plantation. It costs more than the 11.99 Bali, but if you order that first, it doesn't matter if your freebie choice costs more.

I have a big history of pain obliterating Reds from other vendors, and some are still operating while others have closed...the buzz on the forum is definitely a contingent of particular vendors of good quality, but I need to go back to the archives and remember the endless stuff that murdered pain and made me happy and glowy. I had excellent results with Inland Botanicals too, btw.

Currently, my pain is flaring and worse than normal. I have been leaning a lot on TFH because of the strength. I feel like there is so much of a larger conversation to be had about Red analgesia standouts in the kratom community, but I have also noted that reds are less prevalent on some menus than in the past. I have seen menus that literally offer two, maybe even one, at times no reds at all. Most folks go green. I like the feeling, but I have never found a green that can tackle my pain threshold by itself. My situation might be more extreme than others, however. I am currently trying a couple of new vendors and will report back, but I need to take something for a little while to get an honest assessment. Seeing all these menus with one to none reds is frustrating though.

[gepetto33]

That Odus Red Elephant sounds incredible. I was thinking I should order, as I LOVE a very good Red Elephant that sounds exactly like the description you gave, then I saw 2018. Duh, me!

Sadly, my supply of the 2018 batch is down to 10g or less .

But i'm happy to report that i recently purchased a small amount of his current harvest and can say it's still pretty damn great. Funny thing is it was a little hard to tell, because during these past few weeks i've burned myself out on the RE... simply because i loved it so much. I took just enough of a break from it over the last 10 days in order to get an objective burn, and it worked out pretty well. This will be a staple of my collection for as long as i can continue to cycle it in and out. Whether it will work the same way for everyone, i can't say... there's a chance it might not fire the same for heavy users as it does for me.

[gepetto33]

Denette megathread resurrected with new additions!

[INSENSE3]

Awesome thread! I need to follow WhiteAngelica because our needs match, and our benefits from several strains ALSO match. I appreciate the trail of breadcrumbs here in this thread.

Laurie