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Hey friends! So I recently got super lucky and got to test for TFH. I was able to place my one time order! I know I know...TFH is obviously amazing..however, I do want to put my 2 cents in

I got The Jade and Sapphire Sunda and it also came with some of the Master Crafted Red. TFH has impressed me tremendously. The Jade as we all know is . For me , it's mid upper and gives me the clarity I need to get thru a tough day at work.

The sapphire.. I'll be honest.. I need to run it again. I tried it at bedtime and it was so-so. I would like to add though, I had a rough day with little sleep.

NOW lemme get to my favorite of all favorites in the kingdom of Kratyville! Lol. The Master Crafted Red has hit every single time. Yall know how butter melts if it's left out of the fridge? Well, that was how my muscles felt. This one is so so warm, relaxing, and gooey!!! Honestly yall...this is probably in the top tier for me personally and I have been taking kratom for years now. I feel like it doesn't get much better than this one. Also, you know how some strains can be really good but it's lacking in some areas? This one does NOT LACK JACK

Overall, man TFH is where it's the f**k at

I mean he even vacuum seals the bags for us! Also, it's such a mental struggle knowing he's only 30 minutes from my house

I guess all in all...just wanted to get this into the universe and share my solid experience with TFH. Chris is a great dude

MUCH LOVE KRA KRA FAMILY

Everyone talks up the Sapphire but I've tried it thrice now and it was always so-so.

Which sucks because I have both 250 grams worth of capsules as well as a 250 gram bag in my doomsday stash. Most likely I'll try trading it on the post for something else TFH.

(Amazing how the different strains hit differently people well... differently :>).

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:07 pm Everyone talks up the Sapphire but I've tried it thrice now and it was always so-so.

Which sucks because I have both 250 grams worth of capsules as well as a 250 gram bag in my doomsday stash. Most likely I'll try trading it on the post for something else TFH.

(Amazing how the different strains hit differently people well... differently :>).

Haha absolutely!!! Yea I didn't feel much the first go. I will probably give it a shot again at some point I saw you say you were wanting that white afterburn bali and I was so sad! I had placed that one time order already and couldn't help ya! Hoping you got some friend!

Jobrew5667 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:43 pm Hey friends! So I recently got super lucky and got to test for TFH. I was able to place my one time order! I know I know...TFH is obviously amazing..however, I do want to put my 2 cents in

I got The Jade and Sapphire Sunda and it also came with some of the Master Crafted Red. TFH has impressed me tremendously. The Jade as we all know is . For me , it's mid upper and gives me the clarity I need to get thru a tough day at work.

The sapphire.. I'll be honest.. I need to run it again. I tried it at bedtime and it was so-so. I would like to add though, I had a rough day with little sleep.

This blows my mind. Again goes to show it's individual body chemistry, dose, tolerance, and probably genetics to be honest, like there are 4-ish main receptors - mu (MOR), delta (DOR), kappa (KOR), and the nociceptin or ORL1 (Opioid-Like-Receptor #1). There is a zeta receptor, don't know much about that. Then depending on how your unique genetics, physiology, and metabolism works (or doesn't work) and how any mutations affect those things, a particular batch or strain or any substance really, "hits different". The alkaloids in kratom hit at the CYP3A4 cytochromes in the liver I think, and there is metabolism in various ways - oxidation or dehydrogenation, etc. All that to say, the friggin TFH Sapphire Sunda is a warm glove of love for me. Was grateful I ordered several packs of it. It's unique, potent, and hits those receptors just right. Liver smiling and nodding and laughing and yeah, it's like that for me. Now I do prefer a nice 6gm dose of it. Tried it at 3gm, it wasn't the same at all. So, if anyone who doesn't like theirs and has any sealed packs, feel free to hit me up on the Trading Post.

Jobrew5667 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 8:17 pm I saw you say you were wanting that white afterburn bali and I was so sad! I had placed that one time order already and couldn't help ya! Hoping you got some friend!

I did, but thanks for asking. I'm all set (at my age I can, somewhat unfortunately, tell when I have plenty to last until the end. When you count your existence in years rather than decades...)

As for the Sapphire - I am loathe to try it at a higher dose. I've just now gotten my - whatever it is, tolerance, metabolism, some weird voo-doo thingee - to work at 2.5- 3 grams and I just won't do any more for anything. If something really needs twice that dose it ain't for me, that's for sure.

But I will offer it at the trading post to be sure, as soon as I find some TFH I cannot live without (because it WILL be a trade - don't need money, just need TFH I can never have otherwise :>)

when’s the raffle?

uspatriot995 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:40 pm

Jobrew5667 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:43 pm Hey friends! So I recently got super lucky and got to test for TFH. I was able to place my one time order! I know I know...TFH is obviously amazing..however, I do want to put my 2 cents in

I got The Jade and Sapphire Sunda and it also came with some of the Master Crafted Red. TFH has impressed me tremendously. The Jade as we all know is . For me , it's mid upper and gives me the clarity I need to get thru a tough day at work.

The sapphire.. I'll be honest.. I need to run it again. I tried it at bedtime and it was so-so. I would like to add though, I had a rough day with little sleep.

This blows my mind. Again goes to show it's individual body chemistry, dose, tolerance, and probably genetics to be honest, like there are 4-ish main receptors - mu (MOR), delta (DOR), kappa (KOR), and the nociceptin or ORL1 (Opioid-Like-Receptor #1). There is a zeta receptor, don't know much about that. Then depending on how your unique genetics, physiology, and metabolism works (or doesn't work) and how any mutations affect those things, a particular batch or strain or any substance really, "hits different". The alkaloids in kratom hit at the CYP3A4 cytochromes in the liver I think, and there is metabolism in various ways - oxidation or dehydrogenation, etc. All that to say, the friggin TFH Sapphire Sunda is a warm glove of love for me. Was grateful I ordered several packs of it. It's unique, potent, and hits those receptors just right. Liver smiling and nodding and laughing and yeah, it's like that for me. Now I do prefer a nice 6gm dose of it. Tried it at 3gm, it wasn't the same at all. So, if anyone who doesn't like theirs and has any sealed packs, feel free to hit me up on the Trading Post.

Yes ! I totally agree! It's just our body chemistry. I guess it's a love hate relationship because sometimes when I hear this or that is super fire..turns out..it doesn't do well for me. And vise versa! This plant saved me after years of addiction issues. So I just sum it up as...hey! This plant is super fickle and I'm gonna enjoy the ride

To me, the Sapphire Sunda is excellent! One of the best they’ve released this year. It’s probably better than the first batch (at least for me).

Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”

jabro70 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:22 pm To me, the Sapphire Sunda is excellent! One of the best they’ve released this year. It’s probably better than the first batch (at least for me).

Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”

True true! Plus it was an off day for me for sure. I was tired..had a big meal..there were multiple things that could be the issue besides the kratom. So I'm putting it up for a week and hitting it again on a good day!

jabro70 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:22 pm To me, the Sapphire Sunda is excellent! One of the best they’ve released this year. It’s probably better than the first batch (at least for me).

Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”

Same. Current batch is pure happiness for me.

jabro70 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:22 pm To me, the Sapphire Sunda is excellent! One of the best they’ve released this year. It’s probably better than the first batch (at least for me).

Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”

Finally someone I can high five on that point! I've got some stashed that I prolly won't open for years or only on special occasions.
There is LOVE in that batch. Alkaloid love!
Subjective indeed.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:58 am I did, but thanks for asking. I'm all set (at my age I can, somewhat unfortunately, tell when I have plenty to last until the end. When you count your existence in years rather than decades...)

aw don't be sad, you might end up living a lot longer than you think. and we could all go at any moment, so I don't place any "over" bets on my future age of death.

are you going to include the leaf in your will?
"to my beloved niece, I bequeath unto you, eight kilos of straight gas."

I think my grandsons will all be like "what the heck is this TFH Sundra and why does he have so much of it?"

And, yes, we all have no idea how much time any of us have left, but from a realistic standpoint I certainly know I'm not going to live as long as the Queen did. In some ways, though, this makes a lot of things a lot easier to handle (and I truly do have enough kratom to last a lifetime. If a miracle happens and I should win the TFH membership then I'm certainly going to buy lots more but otherwise? Not so much).

I really like the Jade Hulu and master crafted Red

elbandito88 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 7:21 pm

jabro70 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:22 pm To me, the Sapphire Sunda is excellent! One of the best they’ve released this year. It’s probably better than the first batch (at least for me).

Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”

Same. Current batch is pure happiness for me.

Sapphire Sunda is really nice, pure happiness describes it well. Glad I got a bag…Can’t wait for this raffle!

I’m not usually a red user but the Master Crafted Red is so good for a weekend afternoon. Texas Family Harvest is just the best and you can’t go wrong with anything you order. All of their green and white strains are my favorites.

terposton wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 11:35 pm I’m not usually a red user but the Master Crafted Red is so good for a weekend afternoon. Texas Family Harvest is just the best and you can’t go wrong with anything you order. All of their green and white strains are my favorites.

Yes ! That master crafted red is absolutely . I'm so glad I got to try TFH.

Since we are talking about TFH im going to throw this out there. I normally take 4.5 - 5 gpd of anyones product. I have several good strains from TFH and I was taking my normal dose without much result. I just dropped it to 3g on my morning dose and it hit like a truck. Such a warm body feeling.....excellent!! I am going to use the 3gpd for all of the TFH I have. Something to be said about dropping dose as several people have talked about on here. Its weird but it works. Thanks everyone who has talked about this in a kind way. Much appreciated!!!

I think it was Mr. B who wrote something about having more kratom than needed will then overload the body's capacity to process and then it would not work at all. IIR (and I may not) he was of the opinion that no more than 2 grams was this threshold, but I've always thought (and found) that 3 grams is, indeed, the "golden spot".

I've written about this elsewhere, but I think that if most people stuck to <3 grams they would be fine - it's only when something doesn't hit that we then think "well, I need to raise my dose" when that is NOT true. There are a wide variety of reasons why a particular dose didn't hit, but almost NONE of them have to do with not taking enough. But chasing that "I need more" syndrome is a good recipe for disaster. If something isn't working for you do not assume you need to raise your dose, but look for other issues.

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:29 am I think it was Mr. B who wrote something about having more kratom than needed will then overload the body's capacity to process and then it would not work at all. IIR (and I may not) he was of the opinion that no more than 2 grams was this threshold, but I've always thought (and found) that 3 grams is, indeed, the "golden spot".

I've written about this elsewhere, but I think that if most people stuck to <3 grams they would be fine - it's only when something doesn't hit that we then think "well, I need to raise my dose" when that is NOT true. There are a wide variety of reasons why a particular dose didn't hit, but almost NONE of them have to do with not taking enough. But chasing that "I need more" syndrome is a good recipe for disaster. If something isn't working for you do not assume you need to raise your dose, but look for other issues.

I've been working hard at keeping my dose at a gram or less for 5 years. For a bit I crept up to 1.5 grams and in a short period of time, started feeling like s*** warmed over. Dropped back down to a gram and felt better almost instantly, then back down to .75/gram.

[Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”]

Jabro the more you think about this, the wilder it gets. Totally true though.


I got the Master Crafted Red and love it, two Baik Hutan (that one just does me right.) , and one Sapphire Sunda (on your reccomendation) but not really feeling that one yet. Only took it twice though. Going through these posts, kratom feels like those weird pictures that not everyone can see what they are, do you know the ones im talking about? Like the sailboat one in "Malllrats." I havent seen one in a while, come to think of it. Some think its the best ever, some think its good, and it doesn't hit for others. With this so far, i just don't see the picture yet, but i haven't given up. Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:24 pm [Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”]

Jabro the more you think about this, the wilder it gets. Totally true though.


I got the Master Crafted Red and love it, two Baik Hutan (that one just does me right.) , and one Sapphire Sunda (on your reccomendation) but not really feeling that one yet. Only took it twice though. Going through these posts, kratom feels like those weird pictures that not everyone can see what they are, do you know the ones im talking about? Like the sailboat one in "Malllrats." I havent seen one in a while, come to think of it. Some think its the best ever, some think its good, and it doesn't hit for others. With this so far, i just don't see the picture yet, but i haven't given up. Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

'Ultra fucky'

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:24 pm Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

Aww I'm sorry, mivanqua. ((((HUGS))))

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:23 pm

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:24 pm Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

Aww I'm sorry, mivanqua. ((((HUGS))))

Teen. Aged. Girl.

Need i say more.

Love you, hippie, maybe ill go into it more after i get a little distance, but now? World War 16 and nine months! Haha! Seriously though, thank you my friend. Sincerely.

mivanqua wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:33 pm

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 16, 2022 12:23 pm

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:24 pm Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

Aww I'm sorry, mivanqua. ((((HUGS))))

Teen. Aged. Girl.

Need i say more.

Love you, hippie, maybe ill go into it more after i get a little distance, but now? World War 16 and nine months! Haha! Seriously though, thank you my friend. Sincerely.

Nope, you said it all.

I had THREE of them at once. So good luck to you. <3

mivanqua wrote: ↑Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:24 pm [Kratom is most definitely subjective - both “in the moment” and “through the years”]

Jabro the more you think about this, the wilder it gets. Totally true though.


I got the Master Crafted Red and love it, two Baik Hutan (that one just does me right.) , and one Sapphire Sunda (on your reccomendation) but not really feeling that one yet. Only took it twice though. Going through these posts, kratom feels like those weird pictures that not everyone can see what they are, do you know the ones im talking about? Like the sailboat one in "Malllrats." I havent seen one in a while, come to think of it. Some think its the best ever, some think its good, and it doesn't hit for others. With this so far, i just don't see the picture yet, but i haven't given up. Life has been ULTRA fucky lately and ive been really streesed out, like turned up to eleven, so the kratom has a LOT of shit to contend with just to get to baseline. Not a good time upstairs for The Kratom Cup if you want accuracy.

Hey there! I relate so much to your response! The sapphire sunda didn't hit for me BUT I had a lot of stuff going on in life that it probably wasn't the best time for me to try something new! However I am not giving up and would love to hear how it hits for ya once you try again

I tried the Sapphire three times now with no love whatsoever (which is particularly unfortunate as, as per someone else's advice here, I ended up getting two 250 gram bags and now I'm left with one unopened one. Sigh).

But I do like the analogy of some kratom being like a picture not everyone can see. You can only tell so much from the vendor, labs and people's reports and then, ultimately, it's how your own body chemistry works with it. In that regard I like the idea of having a ton of different strains/batches because that way the effects are SO different that it's almost like a Crackerjacks prize each time you try it (you just never know what you'll find).

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:49 pm now I'm left with one unopened one. Sigh).

Put it up on the TP, someone will happily buy it.

herbalhippie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:53 pm

Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 18, 2022 7:49 pm now I'm left with one unopened one. Sigh).

Put it up on the TP, someone will happily buy it.

Yes girl I put some tfh up the other day and it was gone before I even had time to pack er up

If it's not hitting for ya.. maybe try it in a blend as well . For me some strains that don't hit on their own..but when blended they bring out such a well balanced burn.

Yeah, I've tried it with others - just no-go.

But no, I'm not going to "sell" it. I might trade it, but only for some more TFH goodness (and then only straight across - one unopened bag for another).

Don't sleep on the White Lightning. For fans of faster whites like myself it hits perfectly!
Right now I have white lightning, jade Hulu and master crafted red and it's the perfect trifecta

Adorable45Deplorable wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:50 am Don't sleep on the White Lightning. For fans of faster whites like myself it hits perfectly!
Right now I have white lightning, jade Hulu and master crafted red and it's the perfect trifecta

I have fallen in love with TFH!!!!! Thankful I got to do a one time order after testing and went pretty hard on ordering lol!! Glad you are enjoying those

Jobrew5667 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:08 pm

Adorable45Deplorable wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 11:50 am Don't sleep on the White Lightning. For fans of faster whites like myself it hits perfectly!
Right now I have white lightning, jade Hulu and master crafted red and it's the perfect trifecta

I have fallen in love with TFH!!!!! Thankful I got to do a one time order after testing and went pretty hard on ordering lol!! Glad you are enjoying those

Me too! I don’t feel bad at all for getting over 3kg, hopefully this raffle will happen soon…