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I’ve been ordering almost exclusively from Liza’s Best Botanicals since I discovered her business this past Autumn. My wife and I have been using kratom daily for about a year. I do not order from any of the most popular members’ only suppliers but I have tried enough different vendors to know what’s great and what’s not so great. Thanks to a very kind and generous member on here (thanks Mike! ) I was able to try samples of some favorites from TFH, Denette and Rhino this past January. The leaf from these vendors was outstanding and I can understand why they’re so popular in this community! I can honestly and wholeheartedly say, though, that many of Liza’s offerings are as good as or better than the samples that I was fortunate to try. Anyone who isn’t able to order from these vendors or anyone who hasn’t tried Liza’s and is looking for top quality kratom to add to their rotation should absolutely give Liza a try!

Obviously, the quality of the kratom is what inspires me to write reviews and recommendations as I definitely would not be on here taking the time to recommend anything that I feel is sub par. Liza has a great reputation on this forum both for being a wonderful owner/operator and for having great products. I’ve had some email conversations with Liza and she is absolutely good natured, kind, down to earth and helpful. She is also suffering badly with health issues from cancer and is in major need of support. If you have purchased from Liza in the past and are on her mailing list then you’re probably familiar with her recent struggles which have been heartbreaking. I had another review thread for some of the best strains that I’ve tried from Liza but that one was started in the beginning of fall 2022 and I foolishly didn’t include batch numbers with any of my reviews. In the months since I started that particular thread I’ve been able to try many more of Liza’s kratom choices and my wife and I have been thoroughly impressed with most of what we’ve tried. Liza’s menu is huge and can be overwhelming. This may turn some potential customers away as it can be intimidating. For me, however, the size of her menu is a huge bonus as there is always seemingly something new to try! The amount of choices allows me to always have a nice rotation while only ordering from one vendor. This helps to avoid using the same kratom “strains” over and over. I think I mentioned it somewhere on here before but my wife and I refer to Liza’s as our “one stop shop for variety”!

Anyway, I’ve taken it upon myself to help with awareness and support for Liza. It only took a few short email conversations to get a feel for what a great person Liza is. She is over her head with medical bills from a cancer diagnosis, surgery and treatment. She has, by all accounts, been suffering horribly yet she is still dedicated to her business, taking care of her family and to making her customers happy. There are many members on her who can vouch for Liza and her products and hopefully some of you will do just that.

Aside from the fact that she is a kind and loving soul who needs business and support, the kratom that she offers really kicks ass and speaks for itself once you try it. If you’re looking for a new vendor to purchase from please don’t hesitate to give Liza a try! Her Happy Go Lucky blend, Red Headed Step Child and Super Green Elephant are well revered within this community and are in the “must try” category! I’m going to add some reviews below for my current favorites (with batch numbers this time , lol) and update if I come across anything new that really smacks! Hopefully I can help you guys find some new staples while also helping someone in need!

Green Nanga batch #0102

Liza has so many good choices that it’s actually getting difficult for me to pinpoint which ones I want to recommend! The Green Nanga was one that I initially tried in autumn 2022 and while I didn’t have any complaints, it didn’t blow me out of the water. I had a one ounce sample of this sitting around for a while from a previous order. I was looking to try something new this week before placing another order. My rotation is down to only about 9 varieties that I rotate and Green Nanga wasn’t one of them. Since I’ve had it on hand for a bit I decided to try it for my afternoon dose this past weekend and this time it actually did blow me out of the water!

Liza’s Green Nanga has a beautiful light green hue with a very fine grind. The actual color of the kratom powder usually doesn’t mean all that much to me but when I opened this one the word that first came to mind was “fresh”! I was initially very impressed by the appearance and even more so by the effects! This is a fast green that really makes you feel amazing! Greens are my favorite and I tend to lean the most on the ones that I’d call “mid spec”. The “mid” ones bring me great euphoria but aren’t always the best for being productive. Liza’s Green Nanga brings the expected mood boost and slight euphoria but it also made me extremely chatty and happy even more so than some of my other recent favorites! This one poured on the energy as well as some of the best whites that I’ve tried. It’s a great “hybrid” green that has all of the best qualities of green and white strains that I’ve enjoyed in the past. Somewhere in this thread I’m going to be listing my current favorites for each color along with my opinion on whether each is fast, mid or slow. As of right now, the Green Nanga is top tier as far as fast greens go for me! The ounce that I had left was perfect for an enjoyable Saturday afternoon with my family and completely left me wanting more of it. I’ll be putting an order in for another 5 way split kilo soon and this will like;y be included as one of my choices!

I have a short list of choices that I’d like to write reviews for. I also had a nice dose of White Tangjung this afternoon. It has me mentally perked and inspired to write. The words are flowing quickly so I guess the logical choice for the next review should be………………….

……………. White Tangjung? .

This probably makes the most sense, so here goes!

White Tanjung batch# 1107:

I’ve had plenty of superb white varieties and this one is at the top of the list for potency and freshness! The White Tanjung is everything that you’d expect in a strong white strain! This gives tons of energy and also my favorite aspect of kratom….. euphoria . In my experience, I’ve found greens to be the most euphoric but every now and again I come across a different color variety that brings the same level of “feel good happiness”. White Tanjung is awesome as my first burn on plenty of mornings (And the occasional Sunday afternoon). This one speeds time up and helps me with tedious online work while also enhancing my creativity and productivity. Anyone looking for fast strains that can work effectively as an antidepressant should give this White Tanjung a run! Try it soon and thank me later .

Another quick review:

Green PMD3 batch# 0919:

This Green is awesome! There isn’t that much more to say. I’m pretty sure that PMD and Super Green Elephant are two of Liza’s most popular varieties and for good reason. I had ordered Green PMD a couple of times and it was great. I ordered some of the PMD3 recently after I saw it listed as “new” and it’s absolutely amazing…on par with or better than the Green PMD that I had been ordering! I’m not sure what the numbers are but I’ll safely assume that it’s either a new batch or another Green Premium Maeng Da from a different supplier… . Regardless of what the 3 in the name represents, this one is even beyond “premium”, lol. I’d encourage anyone ordering from Liza to try some PMD3 or Super Green Elephant with your next order.

Liza’s kratom is great, and she’s an amazing person. Thanks for your reviews, both present and past. They have helped me to pick out some great strains from Liza’s.

e_poison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:22 am Liza’s kratom is great, and she’s an amazing person. Thanks for your reviews, both present and past. They have helped me to pick out some great strains from Liza’s.

Thanks so much for the positive feedback! I really enjoy writing and kratom is obviously a subject that’s pleasurable to write about for me . I know how subjective kratom experiences can so I’m just honest about what works for me! It’s a great feeling if I get confirmation that I’ve helped anyone in any manner whatsoever!

Been w kratom for a few years and have yet to try Lizas, that will change as soon as I finish some open bags - which I might need a support group to overcome lol.

Eu4oric906 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:48 pm as soon as I finish some open bags - which I might need a support group to overcome lol.

I know that feeling.

I’ve got a couple of great reds to pick from for my next review. . I’m also having trouble narrowing down what to put in my next order for a split kilo . Maybe you guys can help me choose! I’ll post more later.

I just had green bumblebee, not good, not bad.

When we talk Liza's, red-headed step child always comes to mind, and her batches are consistent. So RHSC, 1k.

IndelibleDotInk wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 11:47 am I just had green bumblebee, not good, not bad.

When we talk Liza's, red-headed step child always comes to mind, and her batches are consistent. So RHSC, 1k.

Red headed stepchild is pretty popular and for good reason! I’ve been keeping some RHSC and Happy Go Lucky in my rotation since I started ordering from Liza. They’re two of the best blends that I’ve ever tried.

I haven’t tried the Bumblebee from Liza so maybe now I know that it’s one to avoid. Lol. I had some Green Bumblebee from a different vendor a bit ago and was underwhelmed. It’s probably unlikely that they’re the same but who knows?

I’ve got an ounce each of Red Big Bang and Red Borneo that I haven’t tried yet. I’ll give them a run this week and hopefully find another gem (or two) . I really just hope they aren’t duds! Lol

I use reds the least but I still really enjoy them and I’ve had a few great ones from Liza.

The Red Borneo is awesome. I’m gonna try it for a second time and probably write a review if it’s as good as my first run. . The Rec Big Bang was just so-so but they’re not all likely to be …

Renob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:24 am The Red Borneo is awesome. I’m gonna try it for a second time and probably write a review if it’s as good as my first run. . The Rec Big Bang was just so-so but they’re not all likely to be …

Your reviews are awesome & I wrote you a huge response/questions but DoubleM made me sign in again and I lost everything, including my memory! Thank you so much, Renob since your Red suggestions have been carefully logged in my notes and plan on getting a sampler from her next time, since I'm obsessed with RHSC and really am ready to explore her million other kinds...but RHSC is like a prayer being answered for me. Question: Trainwreck. I read a review on her site and someone called it (my paraphrase) the Red blend version of Happy Go Lucky. I am wildly interested in this.

I notice that Trainwreck is different across vendors and had been used to seeing it to describe greens and whites that are fast. Clearly, Trainwreck can be a blend of reds as well?? I didn't read the reviews since I though it would be white strain city (not that I don't like whites but need Red for pain and if the Red has an added bonus of energy for day, relaxation for evening and mood lift for always, that is what I go for--while mostly avoiding fermentation. There can be a tiny bit, but if it is heavily fermented I'm off to bed immediately and so I'm often partial to green reds as they call them--RHSC is in a league of its own. Obvs...

Liza's Trainwreck. I want to know more!

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:37 pm

Renob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:24 am The Red Borneo is awesome. I’m gonna try it for a second time and probably write a review if it’s as good as my first run. . The Rec Big Bang was just so-so but they’re not all likely to be …

Your reviews are awesome & I wrote you a huge response/questions but DoubleM made me sign in again and I lost everything, including my memory! Thank you so much, Renob since your Red suggestions have been carefully logged in my notes and plan on getting a sampler from her next time, since I'm obsessed with RHSC and really am ready to explore her million other kinds...but RHSC is like a prayer being answered for me. Question: Trainwreck. I read a review on her site and someone called it (my paraphrase) the Red blend version of Happy Go Lucky. I am wildly interested in this.

I notice that Trainwreck is different across vendors and had been used to seeing it to describe greens and whites that are fast. Clearly, Trainwreck can be a blend of reds as well?? I didn't read the reviews since I though it would be white strain city (not that I don't like whites but need Red for pain and if the Red has an added bonus of energy for day, relaxation for evening and mood lift for always, that is what I go for--while mostly avoiding fermentation. There can be a tiny bit, but if it is heavily fermented I'm off to bed immediately and so I'm often partial to green reds as they call them--RHSC is in a league of its own. Obvs...

Liza's Trainwreck. I want to know more!

I know exactly what you’re talking about when you mentioned writing a long message and then losing it .. I’ve done that on here, too ! I apologize for taking so long to reply!!!

I actually haven’t tried the trainwreck so I can’t comment as to whether it leans more red or not. I’ll be back in later today when I have some time and I’d be more than happy to give some recommendations!

I haven’t been on the forum much over the past couple of months but Liza’s is still my go to and I’m hoping to put up some new reviews soon! I’m currently LOVING the Green Hulu and White Tanjung (especially mixed together ).

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:37 pm

Renob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2023 10:24 am The Red Borneo is awesome. I’m gonna try it for a second time and probably write a review if it’s as good as my first run. . The Rec Big Bang was just so-so but they’re not all likely to be …

Your reviews are awesome & I wrote you a huge response/questions but DoubleM made me sign in again and I lost everything, including my memory! Thank you so much, Renob since your Red suggestions have been carefully logged in my notes and plan on getting a sampler from her next time, since I'm obsessed with RHSC and really am ready to explore her million other kinds...but RHSC is like a prayer being answered for me. Question: Trainwreck. I read a review on her site and someone called it (my paraphrase) the Red blend version of Happy Go Lucky. I am wildly interested in this.

I notice that Trainwreck is different across vendors and had been used to seeing it to describe greens and whites that are fast. Clearly, Trainwreck can be a blend of reds as well?? I didn't read the reviews since I though it would be white strain city (not that I don't like whites but need Red for pain and if the Red has an added bonus of energy for day, relaxation for evening and mood lift for always, that is what I go for--while mostly avoiding fermentation. There can be a tiny bit, but if it is heavily fermented I'm off to bed immediately and so I'm often partial to green reds as they call them--RHSC is in a league of its own. Obvs...

Liza's Trainwreck. I want to know more!

I promised to come back for more conversation and some new reviews but life’s been really busy lately! Are you still trying new stuff from Liza? Any recommendations on what I should try next?

I had the Super Green Borneo recently and was actually very disappointed with it . The regular Green Borneo is amazing but the “Super” seemed a bit weak and was a definite let down.