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I am new here, but quite passionate about this leaf.... Made the account like 2 months ago to leave reviews because I know just how valuable it has been finding folks personal input and experiences in terms of leading me to what I love. I can't honestly think of ANYTHING I've researched/learned about where peoples anecdotes have proven so precious.

And thus, I am very grateful to have found this community with the opportunity to be a "part of"


This is simple report on a strain combo I've found to be particularly pleasing.

Red Sumatra and Yellow Sunda

While not always the most convenient strains to find, these two come together to hit me like a match made in heaven.

STRONG POINTS

MOOD: I've never found any single strains to offer the mood boost these do in tandem. Honestly, they make me feel impervious to negative thought process. Its like I cannot see anything but optimism and silver lining in an extremely non-stimulating or "chill" manner. That is, while the mood is uplifting, it is more a calming sense of well being as opposed to something overtly motivating. Absolutely, the combo's finest quality.

SLEEP: Pleasant dreams sums it up nicely. Nuf' said.

PAIN RELIEF: I deal with substantial chronic pain that is totally put to rest with these strains. Coupled with the quality sleep the duo provide I feel like I could accurately dub this a legit a "Healing Blend".

DURATION: I find that anytime I throw red sumatra in the mix duration is fantastic. It is commonly known for having "long legs" but I feel that aspect's value to be terribly underestimated with playing with concoctions. The duration factor just compounds the aforementioned strong points.

Not getting into specific vendors when discussing strain specific combo reviews like this. I think one need first identify a yellow sunda and red sumatra they appreciate separately before introducing into blends.

Snooze happily folks!!
NOTE: May not be the best combo if you've got an agenda to accomplish -LMAO

Klyded wrote:I am new here, but quite passionate about this leaf.... Made the account like 2 months ago to leave reviews because I know just how valuable it has been finding folks personal input and experiences in terms of leading me to what I love. I can't honestly think of ANYTHING I've researched/learned about where peoples anecdotes have proven so precious.

And thus, I am very grateful to have found this community with the opportunity to be a "part of"


This is simple report on a strain combo I've found to be particularly pleasing.

Red Sumatra and Yellow Sunda

While not always the most convenient strains to find, these two come together to hit me like a match made in heaven.

STRONG POINTS

MOOD: I've never found any single strains to offer the mood boost these do in tandem. Honestly, they make me feel impervious to negative thought process. Its like I cannot see anything but optimism and silver lining in an extremely non-stimulating or "chill" manner. That is, while the mood is uplifting, it is more a calming sense of well being as opposed to something overtly motivating. Absolutely, the combo's finest quality.

SLEEP: Pleasant dreams sums it up nicely. Nuf' said.

PAIN RELIEF: I deal with substantial chronic pain that is totally put to rest with these strains. Coupled with the quality sleep the duo provide I feel like I could accurately dub this a legit a "Healing Blend".

DURATION: I find that anytime I throw red sumatra in the mix duration is fantastic. It is commonly known for having "long legs" but I feel that aspect's value to be terribly underestimated with playing with concoctions. The duration factor just compounds the aforementioned strong points.

Not getting into specific vendors when discussing strain specific combo reviews like this. I think one need first identify a yellow sunda and red sumatra they appreciate separately before introducing into blends.

Snooze happily folks!!
NOTE: May not be the best combo if you've got an agenda to accomplish -LMAO

What vendor are these strains from? Without vendor info and even batch numbers too, the review is borderline useless to be honest, I am sorry. No matter what the strain color or name is it will differ from vendor to vendor and even batch to batch within the same vendor....

acejestyr15 wrote:
What vendor are these strains from? Without vendor info and even batch numbers too, the review is borderline useless to be honest, I am sorry. No matter what the strain color or name is it will differ from vendor to vendor and even batch to batch within the same vendor....

Naturally I understand your point, though as mentioned- I feel when discussing combos/blends sometimes the vendor/batch specifics should be decided upon by the user BEFORE ATTEMPTING a blend. In other words, my advice on a combo is for he or she who has already found (and is fond of) a Red Sumatra and Yellow Sunda.

That said, I am not opposed to proposing my suggestions. Popular or unpopular as these vendors may prove here, these are my top picks AT PRESENT for these strains. I am emphasizing at present because I am referring to the batches that are currently being shipped as of march/april 2020

RED SUMATRA
- Golden Monk : This has been my favorite red sumatra for a minute. Extremely long lasting with all the hallmarks of genuine sumatra which are very distinct for me. Those qualities include, but are not exclusive to, it's duration and anti-depressant effects. Hardly anything gives me quite the same sense of well-being as sumatra so I can easily identify a "dud". Fantastic customer service, lightning shipping, excellently priced per kg.

-Kreed Botanicals : Their pricing may not be superb but customer service is top notch and I've found them to be genuinely good peoples. In terms of their sumatra I am certainly not dissapointed. Obviously this is a "less popular vendor" but I mustn't be dishonest about my experience.

NOTE: I have not tried Mitra Man's red sumatra yet but based on my appreciation for their yellow sunda (and how much I already adore their service and other strains) I cannot imagine being unsatisfied.

YELLOW SUNDA
- Mitra Man : Awesome sundanese right here!! Again, sunda is distinctive. Pain relief and mood boost of a brand and caliber not offered by other strains with quite the same delivery and it is RARE for me to find proper sunda. A big perk of MM's sunda for me is there is NO "heaviness" which I've found to sometimes be inherent in the past with other vendors. I can easily take this yellow and go for a jog despite it's calming effects and "calm" walks a fine line next to "lazy" for me personally.

-Happy Hippo Herbals : I don't care if their pricing is considered ridiculous because for many moons now, the hippo has been good to me. I have tried every strain in their catalog and their yellow sunda takes the cake. Let me reiterate I am trying hard here to speak the truth about quality, customer service and dependability- pricing is a distant second in the context with which I now speak.

And for more specifics : my dosage ratio varies : better sleep - 2:1 sumatra:sunda respectively. / More mood - 2:1 sunda/sumatra

SPECIAL NOTES: Not a combo for those who are easily knocked out. Also, I have had a suspicion for quite some time that some labeled Red Sunda are in fact simply Red Sumatra since, technically speaking that IS the case.

Farmers, distributors, vendors, etc can call or rename a batch of leaf whatever they want, or blend it with something and make up a whole new name. Vendor x Sumatra does not equal vendor y Sumatra. That's why those strain review FAQ's you can find via google are useless... for example all bali's and Maeng da's do not share the same qualities. The two could even be the same exact leaf, it all depends on the last person to name it. You really need to list the vendor name at minimum, to denote a certain vendor's leaf from a particular vendor, and even then, the same leaf from the same vendor can change from batch to batch, for all sorts of reasons, as was stated above. So a batch number is warranted in legitimate reviews too. Golden monks January 2019 red sumatra could be amazing, great leaf, but their March 2019 is total garbage. In theory, I could become a vendor and buy leaf from indo that has been labeled as green Hulu and label it red Sumatra and resell it domestically, if I wanted to, or anything else... and plenty of people do. Replace "Hulu" and "Sumatra" with any name you want, make up a new name-its all marketing. And it doesn't mean the leaf actually came from the Hulu region either. For example, kratom doesn't even grow on the island of Bali, but it still gets used as a strain name constantly. Likewise "Sumatra" kratom is rarely if ever actually from Sumatra. There is such thing as legit Malay kratom from Malaysia but it is very rare, though it's a very common strain name. The kratom business isn't always an honest one.

Tl;Dr all "sumatras" are not created equal

Damen ck wrote:... For example, kratom doesn't even grow on the island of Bali, but it still gets used as a strain name constantly. Likewise "Sumatra" kratom is rarely if ever actually from Sumatra ... The kratom business isn't always an honest one.

Good post overall, but "Sumatra" kratom isn't rare at all - I've heard as much as 10% of Export does come from there? or less.. Ask Fused Flora I know he's got at least 1 maybe 2 good suppliers in Medan? Ever heard of Aceh kratom ? etc. Interesting location, far West the tip of Sumatra ... but yes its funny some Borneo suppliers, still sell a fake Sumatra. Maybe the real Aceh, Sumatra guys should start selling Kapuas Hulu since that's a popular "strain" ? lol

Notes taken! I appreciate the criticisms so as to know what more to include in future posts.

Now, on naming conventions.. I am well aware there is no legitimate accuracy to the dubbing of strains/regions on the bag, yet I do believe this to be mondo important. Even if a leaf is not of said origin, it denotes (or should) an identity to the characteristics to anticipate of a product. In this case, "Sumatra" in question and "Sunda" most certainly do provide me a whole different experience and expectation.

In short, accuracy be damned-- Should I read "sumatra" I believe I am ordering in interest of slow onset, long lasting, extremely mellow and to an extent seems to genuinely stimulate apatite and taste. I also anticipate being in a damn fine mood. I could care less whether it came from a Sumatra Isle or a inner city slum as long as whomever is doing the dubbing does so appropriately

BallzDeep9 wrote:

Damen ck wrote:... For example, kratom doesn't even grow on the island of Bali, but it still gets used as a strain name constantly. Likewise "Sumatra" kratom is rarely if ever actually from Sumatra ... The kratom business isn't always an honest one.

Good post overall, but "Sumatra" kratom isn't rare at all - I've heard as much as 10% of Export does come from there? or less.. Ask Fused Flora I know he's got at least 1 maybe 2 good suppliers in Medan? Ever heard of Aceh kratom ? etc. Interesting location, far West the tip of Sumatra ... but yes its funny some Borneo suppliers, still sell a fake Sumatra. Maybe the real Aceh, Sumatra guys should start selling Kapuas Hulu since that's a popular "strain" ? lol

Honestly... you are totally correct and I agree, Sumatra isn't terribly rare. In my head I suppose it is still a novelty to find because it did seem rare when I first found interest in Kratom, before branching out from 1 or 2 vendors and discovering communities and forums of like minded people. I began lurking here back around last halloween and finally began ordering from small batch (awesome) vendors in very recent history.

Ironically I JUST picked up red aceh from fused flora!! I'll take it as a sign and dig into that next and I suppose I know what my next post will be about- THERE ARE NO COINCIDENCES IN LIFE!!

And for the record, the Golden Monk sumatra I referenced was lot M1163x ordered just a couple weeks ago.

I was on MeWe the other day and remember Shaun (Fused Flora) saying that he liked blending his SuperWhite and white Aceh because of their different alkoloid makeup was very synergistic...its a good thing to know where your supplier gets their kratom from, it could very well be a game changer for your personal blends!

I guess I should have picked a different name than Sumatra, I just used it as a random filler for any other strain name. Bottom line, someone who labels their kratom as Sumatra, whether it actually comes from that region, does not at all denote a certain set of effects. It doesn't mean the kratom is long lasting or mellow...anyone can get kratom and resell it or repackage it and sell it as whatever they want. Hence all the silly names popping up these days (donkey stands out). People name it "Sumatra" or any other name (Indo, Thai, Vietnam) as a marketing ploy, in other words exactly why you buy it. Someone could in theory take a kilo, divide it into 4 piles, and name each pile something different, and sure enough some people will think some are better than others just based on the name alone, along with kratoms fickle nature and people's different biology. It's just salesmanship, and dishonest at that..are you going to buy boring ol green Bali, or something fresh and exotic-sounding like dark elephant maeng da #3 or black big bang teku kapuas. Oops, I forgot to tell you the last one is nano!

Don't buy into the cheap tricks, don't buy based on name, and know your source, or at least trust your vendor.

Damen ck wrote:
Don't buy into the cheap tricks, don't buy based on name, and know your source, or at least trust your vendor.

^^ THIS is ultimately the bottom line, without a doubt- and takes me full circle back to why I am ever so grateful for folks anecdotes and having discovered the forums. I concur.

Thank you EVERYONE for response and input in this thread! Distinctly impacted my angle and direction of future posts. And goodness do I wish to speak on quite a bit after the last few months of trials lurking these rooms and pages.

The passionate enthusiast suuuuuuure can end up with quite a few "names" on the shelf after spending their time here!! LoL