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Hello all--I've now had ample time to play around with some strains from our fluffy friends over at botanical bunny. I'll give each a rating out of 10 and then elaborate on that in the second paragraph. Please keep in mind I'm keeping 10/10 out of this until I've tried another 20ish good vendors. I have 6ish years of kratom experience. I prefer more stimulating or euphoric strains but can appreciate some good floating too. I take ~2-2.5g unless otherwise noted. I'm a daily user, and I also take a slew of other compounds for various reasons. I'll end with a list of other things I took while sampling this kratom that may impact my experience. My ratings are based on how much /I/ enjoyed a strain. My vendor rating is based on the overall quality of the vendor and I will try to keep this more objective--just because I didn't like a strain doesn't mean it's crap! I respond very abnormally to most drugs.


From favorite to least favorite:

White Bentuangie: 9/10
Premium Maeng Da: 8/10
Chocolate JongKong: 7.5/10
Green JongKong: 6/10
Green OV: 5/10
Wild White: 4/10 (lot 14//I know this is not a common opinion)

Vendor Rating: 8.5/10

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White Bentuangie:

I'm not sure how this isn't more popular. Easily makes the top 10 strains I've ever had. /Very/ stimulating and euphoric, with the most clear-headed burn of any of the strains. Fantastic stuff. Very sad I ran out already. I gave it to some friends over the weekend and despite a rowdy night of drinking games to go with it, we all felt pretty damn good in the morning. Rare for kratom as it typically dehydrates and loads the liver--especially when enjoyed with cheap beer and pretty girls. It didn't impair sleep at all for me, no matter what time I took it. This isn't to say it didn't make me want to stay up, but when I needed to sleep I didn't have a problem. If it's true about bentuangie kratom being fermented, I have a feeling it contains some mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, which is worth looking up if you aren't familiar with its unique properties. If so it has the potential to actually /reverse/ downregulation of the mu opioid system and certainly prevent tolerance. I'd give this 10/10 but I'm trying to be harsher in order to keep that rank open in case I get my hands on anything truly stunning. Balanced energy and buzz both mentally and physically, especially for a white.

Euphoria: 9/10
Stimulation: 9/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 10/10
Potency: 9/10
Duration: 4+hrs

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Premium Maeng Da (lot 12):

Another great one. A little more mental fog than the WB but still has some euphoria and stimulation. I don't have a ton to say about this one, as it's just an all around great strain. Definitely my second favorite of the six. Nothing /truly/ exemplary about it, but nothing lacking either. Pretty potent too! Probably more balanced in both mental and physical effects than the WB but that's not quite what I look for.

Euphoria: 8/10
Stimulation: 7.5/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 7/10
Potency: 9/10
Duration: 4hrs

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Chocolate JongKong:

I'm not normally a red vein person but this stuff was excellent. /Very/ relaxing and clear-headed. Absolutely the most powerful of the six for analgesic purposes plus a good amount of red vein euphoria which is not something I often get. Fascinating brown color to the powder which I've never seen in a red vein. Seriously no complaints. Might end up preferring this one to the PMD but for now it's a close third. Though out of all the red vein strains I've tried this is easily my favorite. Not overly sedating either, probably due to the mental clarity.

Euphoria: 6.5/10
Relaxation: 9/10
Analgesia: 10/10
Mental Clarity: 9/10
Potency: 6/10
Duration: 2-3hrs

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Green JongKong:

This stuff is weird. Potentially more sedating than the CJK. Absurdly potent. One-dimensional mentally, though not unpleasant. Main complaint is the lack of euphoria. Physically very heavy with a nice balance and no "sick" feeling that heavier strains can give, possibly due to the potency. I'll be taking 1.5g of this instead of 2-2.5g like with other strains. All around an okay strain but not one I'd buy again unless my opinion of it changes with more use. The CJK is just all around more enjoyable, though I may try mixing them to see what happens.

Euphoria: 4/10
Sedation: 9/10
Analgesia: 8/10
Mental Clarity: 5/10
Potency: 10/10
Duration: 3.5+hrs

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Green OV:

Ok, I'll level with you. I did not like this strain at all. In fact, I hope to never take it again. With that being said, it's not bad kratom at all. It just did not agree with me. I was left tired but anxious, foggy but jittery. It's way better than headshop kratom, though I think I'd take headshop kratom over this because of the distinct undesirable effects it gave me.

Euphoria: 2/10
Stimulaxedation: shit/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 3/10
Potency: 7/10
Duration: 3.5+hrs

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Wild White:

I was excited for this one. Everyone had such good things to say about it. I do not. It left me jittery, foggy, anxious and staring at a wall for hours. I forced myself to try it a couple more times and I got the same effect each time. I don't have enough experience with this strain to break it down like I did the rest but I don't plan on trying it again.

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BB Overall Rating:

8.5/10

Just because I didn't agree with some of their kratom does not mean these guys aren't as excellent as everyone keeps saying. Pricing is on point, selection is stellar, and quality is amazing. The stuff is very clean kratom overall with very little body load as far as diuresis or liver strain goes. Shipping was pretty good--got here a day later than it should have because it went out two days after I ordered it but no big deal. Overall no complaints. I certainly plan to stock up on those first three strains and try the ones my friend has coming in today!

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Noteworthy Interactions: I take BPC-157 3x/day and that actively reverses my kratom tolerance but might impact my overall experience in unknown ways as well. I also smoke ciggs, use CBD+, and drink coffee (regularly) and boozahol (weekend warrior)


This was my first review so let me know if I should change anything. I want to eventually have a template setup for others to use. Also, I'd be happy to try out some newer vendors if anyone has any requests!

This was my first review so let me know if I should change anything.

The main thing about reviews is that they be clear, easy to read, and enough detail for readers to suss out what the writer means by their scores. This is great in ALL regards, thanks for taking the time!

But since you asked for feedback -- just so you know and are not disappointed, single strain reviews -tend- to generate more, and more specific, discussion than multi-strain reviews. This is not always true, but tends to be generally true, so if you want to see a single strain get more attention/talk, write a single review. Hardcore review junkies like myself, though, find the strains we want to read about in both and it doesn't matter a bit to us.

Thus the multi-strain format and single-strain review are equally helpful and valid: it's more a matter of preference for both reviewer and reader. But either way, clarity, readability, and detail are most important regardless.

Like this detail right here. Ain't no one gonna mistake what you were trying to indicate with this rating:

Stimulaxedation: shit/10

Great job!

Very good info. The PMD and Chocolate JK sound like they’re right up my alley. They’re on my list now.

Did anyone notice ... BB has a Moving Sale 40% Off this week. Look under Vendor Listings.

BallzDeep9 wrote:Did anyone notice ... BB has a Moving Sale 40% Off this week. Look under Vendor Listings.

IKR i wrote this and then went to go pick up some more white bent (which they don't have anymore of ) and saw that and just bought a ton of other stuff. no complaints on $3 oz's

Thanks for the reviews. I picked up a few to try from the sale.

Previously I had tried the Prem MD and thought is was very good and the Wild White at 40% off is a deal.

djulain wrote:
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White Bentuangie:

I'm not sure how this isn't more popular. Easily makes the top 10 strains I've ever had. /Very/ stimulating and euphoric, with the most clear-headed burn of any of the strains. Fantastic stuff. Very sad I ran out already. I gave it to some friends over the weekend and despite a rowdy night of drinking games to go with it, we all felt pretty damn good in the morning. Rare for kratom as it typically dehydrates and loads the liver--especially when enjoyed with cheap beer and pretty girls. It didn't impair sleep at all for me, no matter what time I took it. This isn't to say it didn't make me want to stay up, but when I needed to sleep I didn't have a problem. If it's true about bentuangie kratom being fermented, I have a feeling it contains some mitragynine pseudoindoxyl, which is worth looking up if you aren't familiar with its unique properties. If so it has the potential to actually /reverse/ downregulation of the mu opioid system and certainly prevents tolerance. I'd give this 10/10 but I'm trying to be harsher in order to keep that rank open in case I get my hands on anything truly stunning. Balanced energy and buzz both mentally and physically, especially for a white.

Euphoria: 9/10
Stimulation: 9/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 10/10
Potency: 9/10
Duration: 4+hrs

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Premium Maeng Da (lot 12):

Another great one. A little more mental fog than the WB but still has some euphoria and stimulation. I don't have a ton to say about this one, as it's just an all-around great strain. Definitely my second favorite of the six. Nothing /truly/ exemplary about it, but nothing lacking either. Pretty potent too! Probably more balanced in both mental and physical effects than the WB but that's not quite what I look for.

Euphoria: 8/10
Stimulation: 7.5/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 7/10
Potency: 9/10
Duration: 4hrs

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Chocolate JongKong:

I'm not normally a red vein person but this stuff was excellent. /Very/ relaxing and clear-headed. Absolutely the most powerful of the six for analgesic purposes plus a good amount of red vein euphoria which is not something I often get. Fascinating brown color to the powder which I've never seen in a red vein. Seriously no complaints. Might end up preferring this one to the PMD but for now it's a close third. Though out of all the red vein strains I've tried this is easily my favorite. Not overly sedating either, probably due to the mental clarity.

Euphoria: 6.5/10
Relaxation: 9/10
Analgesia: 10/10
Mental Clarity: 9/10
Potency: 6/10
Duration: 2-3hrs

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Green JongKong:

This stuff is weird. Potentially more sedating than the CJK. Absurdly potent. One-dimensional mentally, though not unpleasant. Main complaint is the lack of euphoria. Physically very heavy with a nice balance and no "sick" feeling that heavier strains can give, possibly due to the potency. I'll be taking 1.5g of this instead of 2-2.5g like with other strains. All around an okay strain but not one I'd buy again unless my opinion of it changes with more use. The CJK is just all around more enjoyable, though I may try mixing them to see what happens.

Euphoria: 4/10
Sedation: 9/10
Analgesia: 8/10
Mental Clarity: 5/10
Potency: 10/10
Duration: 3.5+hrs

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Green OV:

Ok, I'll level with you. I did not like this strain at all. In fact, I hope to never take it again. With that being said, it's not bad kratom at all. It just did not agree with me. I was left tired but anxious, foggy but jittery. It's way better than headshop kratom, though I think I'd take headshop kratom over this because of the distinct undesirable effects it gave me.

Euphoria: 2/10
Stimulaxedation: shit/10
Analgesia: 7/10
Mental Clarity: 3/10
Potency: 7/10
Duration: 3.5+hrs

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Wild White:

I was excited for this one. Everyone had such good things to say about it. I do not. It left me jittery, foggy, anxious and staring at a wall for hours. I forced myself to try it a couple more times and I got the same effect each time. I don't have enough experience with this strain to break it down like I did the rest but I don't plan on trying it again.

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BB Overall Rating:

8.5/10
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This review is gloriously honest! Flippin' fantastic. And I almost thought I was reading my own thoughts with your White Bent comments! I picked some up a month-ish ago and used the sample size up in like 2.5 days flat... I put it in EVERYTHING! It literally improved everything. I kept thinking, man, why is there such little chatter about this??.. Clarity is a big deal for me and sometimes its super hard to find a strain that's truly effective at clearing my head up. RVA White Ketapang is superb but I get literally nothing else from it so I normally toss a smidge in every single dose.. The WBent gives a feel-good mood lift/euphoria to boot, on top o the clarity!
Totally agree with the Wild White too.. I wanted to love it cause I looooove Wild Green but it gives me almost zero of the effects I enjoy in kratom, weirdly.
So, recap, just in case ya missed it.. Holy Cow, EXCELLENT job!! and Thank you Thank you!

BB just got the White Bent back in stock. After reading this glowing review a few months ago, I feel compelled to try it.

Anyone try the recent batch?

I have some of the BB White Bent Lot 13, and it is solid. Not an especially fast white, and I'd say medium legs for a white, but good for pain and -great- in blends.

I notice Djulain didn't mention the lot # of the White Bent he was reviewing, but I'm pretty sure it was the Lot 13 because I got mine right around the same time he did and we talked about it a bit. You might want to PM him and verify the lot # directly with him, though.

The current BB white bent is also lot 13, which i believe just indicates the supplier.

Well I ordered it and it should be here Friday, along with the premium MD. I'll let you guys know how it is! (if I remember to post lol)

The current BB white bent is also lot 13, which i believe just indicates the supplier.

Quite right, and straight from the horse's mouth too. I had forgotten all about that, my apologies.

I liked both the White Bent and the PMD from my August order -- hope yours is as good or better!

I think green ov is one of the more potent strains they have. Surprised to hear such a low score on the oven dried green. Its so strong i get wobbly if i dose even a tad more than i normally would. It gives good effects to the body and mind. I keep a 250g bag seperate just for myself.

I received my order from BB today. White jong kong, white bent are both Lot #12.

Edit: Lot #13 NOT #12 Gold MD is Lot #12

What did you think of your white bent ShortyRS?

I like the white bentuangie also but white Jong Kong more. Unfortunately, BB is out of it amd so am I.