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Hey guys, just wanted to get opinions on viable solutions and their quality as of recently. I usually order their split kilo sampler packs and each strain has been more or less lackluster, some of them giving me strange violent nausea. For context, I've been burning for about 3 years or better and my daily consumption ranges from about 10 to 20 grams spread out throughout the day. Normally I take a larger morning dose and supplement throughout the day. With both the Green and White borneo strains and now even more recently the white summatra have been doing this to me. I take a ginger root pill every morning and even on days I consume more than normal, I've been taking kratom daily for long enough that I can generally monitor myself pretty well and avoid the worst case scenario. It seemed like with the borneo strains especially, about 2 or so hours after dosing it would hit me with a flash of nausea and the kratom would come right out, no hesitation, no chance of stopping it. My significant other also noticed this when she would take her dose after lunch. Idk about you guys but kratom nausea usually donesn't hit me so instantly and I vape nicotine which can sometimes bring on this type of nausea, but it never was a factor each time it happened.

Could this just be a round of bad batches? I've never experienced this level of intense nausea and for such a long time after dosing too, it just seems very strange to me. Normally if I have taken too much kratom, I will know pretty soon after dosing and the feeling pretty much builds from the point of dosing onwards. These experiences were more of feeling completely fine for a couple hours and then instantly feeling hot, followed by the purge. Has anyone else experienced this with Viable Solutions?

Its seemed a little lackluster so far compared to my admittedly high expectations. I have not experienced nausea yet, granted I've only been burning it for the past few days. I did finish the 25 gram sampler of green borneo and did not feel sick.

They were my first online vendor back in 2012 when they were Herbal Salvation. White Phucket and Hulu Kapuas were so good, then Plantation and Red Thai and Maha Kali.
I haven’t ordered since they switched and started selling all the super commercial looking products.
Also they do use extract to bring lackluster leaf up in alkaloid percentage.

Yeah I dunno they aren't on the top of my go to vendors list and they haven't been for a long time. I used to buy from them a lot like 6 years ago when I first got into Kratom. They were called Herbal Salvation. Id say start looking around for another vendor guy.

Came to reiterate the sentiments posted above. Not what they used to be.

None of their stuff worked for me.

I've been burning their leaf for the past two months. Super excited to try "real leaf" with the open house but I didn't think it was as bad as everyone here makes it out to be. I also didn't think it was as good as the supposed reviews on trust pilot make it out to be either. I was a tester for TFH and their tester batches aren't supposed to be an accurate representation of the quality of strains on their menu, but there were a number of few of the 10 samples I received that I would rate lower quality than the viable solutions strains I've become accustom to. There are a lot of vendors on here that I haven't tried who problably have superior kratom but it wasn't like the viable solutions stuff was torally bunk.

I was a regular customer when they were Herbal Salvation and stayed onboard after they became Viable Solutions. Wow, I remember when they sold excellent Gold Bali back in the day! I haven't had any bad experiences but no really any great burns either. With excellent small batch vendors around such as Lucky's, MitraMan and Philly Kratom, I can't justify spending money on hit or miss leaf. I'll stick with the small, artisan guys now. Pretty much guaranteed hits each time and the communication/customer support is excellent.

They have a really great discount for us, and free shipping. So, I used the promo code and ordered my old favorite, Maha Kali. With discounts--I made out well. So, I can at least vouch for my Maha.

Polaris wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:53 pm I was a regular customer when they were Herbal Salvation and stayed onboard after they became Viable Solutions. Wow, I remember when they sold excellent Gold Bali back in the day! I haven't had any bad experiences but no really any great burns either. With excellent small batch vendors around such as Lucky's, MitraMan and Philly Kratom, I can't justify spending money on hit or miss leaf. I'll stick with the small, artisan guys now. Pretty much guaranteed hits each time and the communication/customer support is excellent.

That Gold Bali literally kept.me warm on cold.days. Still haven't found it's like
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I am not full of shit and my tolerance is high. I got a sample of the Red Sumatra with my Maha Kali and it was absolutely excellent. They deal more with extracts and other things now, but those two red strains I've mentioned are shocking, out of control, good.

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:22 pm I am not full of shit and my tolerance is high. I got a sample of the Red Sumatra with my Maha Kali and it was absolutely excellent. They deal more with extracts and other things now, but those two red strains I've mentioned are shocking, out of control, good.

The Maha Kali is a go-to for my mother and I when we need pain relief the most. Glad it is helping you as well. I talked about the Maha Kali a bit in the last message I sent you. And with the coupons/deals they provide, it really is worth it for me despite being more expensive (but with discounts the price is reasonable)

MikeEdoessomething wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:52 pm

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:22 pm I am not full of shit and my tolerance is high. I got a sample of the Red Sumatra with my Maha Kali and it was absolutely excellent. They deal more with extracts and other things now, but those two red strains I've mentioned are shocking, out of control, good.

The Maha Kali is a go-to for my mother and I when we need pain relief the most. Glad it is helping you as well. I talked about the Maha Kali a bit in the last message I sent you. And with the coupons/deals they provide, it really is worth it for me despite being more expensive (but with discounts the price is reasonable)

Expect a message forthcoming my friend. You are the reason I made this plunge. I know it can be a bit pricey (but the discounts are insane, so I know the real cost is much more affordable) but I did not want you to have to share your sacred stash with me. I knew you would be right. Expect a PM! For awhile I was living hardcore in the Bell Jar and could barely type. I'm trying to pull my way out of it, limb by limb! I consider you a friend and a kratom kindred. For sure and reals.

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:07 pm

MikeEdoessomething wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:52 pm

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:22 pm I am not full of shit and my tolerance is high. I got a sample of the Red Sumatra with my Maha Kali and it was absolutely excellent. They deal more with extracts and other things now, but those two red strains I've mentioned are shocking, out of control, good.

The Maha Kali is a go-to for my mother and I when we need pain relief the most. Glad it is helping you as well. I talked about the Maha Kali a bit in the last message I sent you. And with the coupons/deals they provide, it really is worth it for me despite being more expensive (but with discounts the price is reasonable)

Expect a message forthcoming my friend. You are the reason I made this plunge. I know it can be a bit pricey (but the discounts are insane, so I know the real cost is much more affordable) but I did not want you to have to share your sacred stash with me. I knew you would be right. Expect a PM! For awhile I was living hardcore in the Bell Jar and could barely type. I'm trying to pull my way out of it, limb by limb! I consider you a friend and a kratom kindred. For sure and reals.

Thanks, that made me smile! Happy to have been able to point you in that direction and glad you have found some relief. Hopefully things get better for you. The brutal heat wave this summer is making me and my mother have seriously painful flair-ups, so I totally understand, and some days I've struggled to do anything at all. The Maha Kali and Enhanced Red Relief from Allnaturalartisian have been the most helpful on our worst days (ANA has really good leaf too, may be that it just works extremely well with me for pain relief but I order from them regularly now. Plantation Red MD for daytime, and Red Bali for evenings, and the Green Bali is amazing for anytime of day as well).

I'm lucky enough in my situation where I have a near lifetime supply of kratom, so I don't mind sharing with friends, so my offer still stands if you want to try the other stuff I mentioned

MikeEdoessomething wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:52 pm

WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:22 pm I am not full of shit and my tolerance is high. I got a sample of the Red Sumatra with my Maha Kali and it was absolutely excellent. They deal more with extracts and other things now, but those two red strains I've mentioned are shocking, out of control, good.

The Maha Kali is a go-to for my mother and I when we need pain relief the most. Glad it is helping you as well. I talked about the Maha Kali a bit in the last message I sent you. And with the coupons/deals they provide, it really is worth it for me despite being more expensive (but with discounts the price is reasonable)

I JUST organized my vintage viable solutions yesterday. Found the remains of my Maha Kali which was a superb analgesic for me in the past. I think I’ll bring it back out.
My favorite of theirs was this 1 batch of red Malay and gold Bali I had…the 2 of those mixed together was phenomenal. Would love to find some VS red malay & Gold Bali from 2018. They were really good back then …the Thai md was great as well as the plantation md. They kind of fell off after a while so I stopped purchasing. But if the maha and red Sumatra (another fave) are on point again, I could be swayed. Unfortunately I was only buying 1oz samplers then and my 1st big splurge was a larger bag of maha & Thai md which are almost gone. Oh well, good times & memories. Their product was the one that helped me understand that every single batch is gonna be different. Cause every single batch WAS very different. I didn’t know that going in.