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My son got a growing kit and spores to grow magic shrooms, mainly for his dad,my ex,,he's 63, been dealing with colon cancer,,apparently years of opioid use for his back problems and sciatic pain,constipated him,tore up his colon,,so he knows all about shrooms,,etc the psycociloben mushrooms are supposed to help with cancer patients, the mental side affects of anxiety, depression, and side affects of chemo,etc. Micro dosing is gaining popularity, if you Google it, it's very interesting how shrooms can benefit people with depression, anxiety, people who don't respond well with pharmaceutical drugs,,anyhow my son gave me a pack of the powder, he grinds the dried shrooms into a powder, he said to weigh out less than a gr of powder take it,wait a couple of days and repeat,,he tells me it will reset my brain, reset brain,humm, and help me get rid of my anxiety, so I can be free of the xanax I have been taking for 30 years,,I am still reluctant to try it, ,although the kratom he introduced me to a couple of years ago,did help me get off opiods, etc. Kratom helps with anxiety, and I am slowly tapering off benzos,,just need them at night, ,anyhow, I think I will research more about these shrooms,,I associate them with hallucinating, ,it would be nice if they could totally reset the brain, I know from back in the 70s, lsd and mesculine could really heighten your awareness, I definitely want to research more,

Need search you optimal dose, in micro. It's experimental way, start at 0,1-0,2g. and get up if need, to optimal. Optimal micro not have all psi effects, hmm it's just small light magic.1 dose per 3-4 day, or more, for not up tolerance.

My wife is curious about this for debilitating issues. What got me after this, was hearing that Washington is trying to pass a bill to legalize some sort or sorts of Magic Mushrooms. Isn't that crazy? I can't help but wonder if there is any validity to this.

Oletimer wrote:,,I am still reluctant to try it, ,although the kratom he introduced me to a couple of years ago,did help me get off opiods, etc.

In my opinion, there's no reason to be reluctant. I'd take two grams and enjoy my evening.

People are experimenting with microdosing a variety of things these days. I'm not sure I buy into that method, but regular dosing of psychedelics I have no doubts about.

Edit:
Coincidentally, I just stumbled upon this article from Popular Science
https://www.popsci.com/magic-mushrooms-safe

Where is a good place to get the mushrooms?

FartBlaster wrote:Where is a good place to get the mushrooms?

[Mod edit: removed sourcing]

or if you live near cows, they like to grow on cow patties.

This post reminded me of this Vice story

Meet The Mushroom Hermit of The Carpathians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqB6TZnj8Q8


He takes the mushroom in front of vice person and says everything what vice guy fears and most worries, the vice guy tripped out how the F did he know... lol thats some powerful mushrooms lol.

Edit: i re-watched the video and its not a full version. But main points are still there.

FartBlaster wrote:Where is a good place to get the mushrooms?

Grow your own.

Check out this reddit sub for detailed, step-by-step instructions: [Mod edit: removed sourcing]
This sub is all about growing tek using uncle ben's rice bags.

Caveat: I've never used this tek, but I have been gathering all the materials, and I'm going to start this journey this weekend! I was surprised to learn that the spores can be purchased legally in most states (there are 3-4 states that don't allow spores to bought or sold). I bought my spores an online vendor, the rest of the materials off of amazon.

I've attempted to grow before using a mushroom kit that I bought through the mail. It was an incredibly complicated process that I couldn't finish.

The unclebens tek looks to be very noob-friendly. Check out the photos from uncle bens first-timers on the site. Inspiring!

Isn't psilocybin a schedule 1 drug? Should we be discussing it on a Kratom forum?

Micro dosing of ketamine is also a growing off-label treatment for mental disorders like depression.

Siegebruce wrote:Isn't psilocybin a schedule 1 drug? Should we be discussing it on a Kratom forum?

Mushrooms have been de-criminalized in Denver and Oakland. There was a recent effort to de-criminalized shrooms state-wide in CA, but that was abandoned (for now) because of the pandemic.
Kratom is illegal in 6 states, but it's OK to discuss here.

I'm referencing a site rule, konnie

(3) Do not discuss illegal drugs, substances, or activities unless it is for harm reduction purposes. Glorifying illegal drug use is not permitted here in any form. Asking how to get kratom when you live in an area where it is banned by law also falls under this rule.

Damen ck wrote:I'm referencing a site rule, konnie

(3) Do not discuss illegal drugs, substances, or activities unless it is for harm reduction purposes. Glorifying illegal drug use is not permitted here in any form. Asking how to get kratom when you live in an area where it is banned by law also falls under this rule.

Gotcha, although micro-dosing is hardly glorifying. A micro-dose is not a tripping dose or recreational drug use.
It is medicine. That's what I'm using it for.

Harm Reduction Journal: Psychedelic microdosing benefits and challenges: an empirical codebook
https://harmreductionjournal.biomedcent ... 019-0308-4

So theoretically, microdosing heroin is ok, because I'm only doing a small amount?

Mods and Admins is this OK to talk about?

This is ONLY used for medicinal purposes and benefits the user with significant mental health improvements.

Damen ck wrote:So theoretically, microdosing heroin is ok, because I'm only doing a small amount?

I see your point but there is ZERO safe Benefit from microdosing heroin vs. microdosing psilo.

I thought this video fits here perfectly

MASSIVE Mental Health CRISIS Following Shutdowns! - Can Psychedelics Be A Solution?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvd9gZ5izVs

I wasn't trying to cause an argument. I was more just trying to bring up a hypothetical, and whether it would put kratom/this forum in "danger".... personally think it's fine to talk about it but according to that rule that was brought up, it's a fine line. If I was a mod I would be okay with it but maybe tweak the rule a little bit, or make it an executive decision? I don't know. Heroin and mushrooms are light years apart, so that isn't the fairest analogy. But, both are technically "drugs," despite what they're ultimately used for. It's kind of the same argument that we're having with kratom. I hope that clarifies it some.

Siegebruce wrote:I wasn't trying to cause an argument. I was more just trying to bring up a hypothetical, and whether it would put kratom/this forum in "danger".... personally think it's fine to talk about it but according to that rule that was brought up, it's a fine line. If I was a mod I would be okay with it but maybe tweak the rule a little bit, or make it an executive decision? I don't know. Heroin and mushrooms are light years apart, so that isn't the fairest analogy. But, both are technically "drugs," despite what they're ultimately used for. It's kind of the same argument that we're having with kratom. I hope that clarifies it some.

Fair enough, but I didn't appreciate the comparison to heroin. Seemed mean-spirited. A lot of people microdose to deal with illnesses like depression and anxiety, including me.
We're not talking about getting high. Therapeutic use is becoming more and more mainstream. There are many articles about this online.

mean? No I was just making an objective comparison. No feelings implied. The same thing could be used for Xanax or any other drug. Maybe to you heroin has bad connotations but it was just used as an example. The point was to make an analogy. I made my point I don't really need to say any more about it.

MOD NOTE: After some users pointed out that this thread may be against the rules, the mods took a look and discussed it. This conversation is technically a violation of rule #3, so those that pointed that out are correct. However, we've decided to let it stand for now since it mainly focuses on health and research discussion. As long as it stays in an educational format with no discussion on sourcing, this topic is okay even though it's in a very grey area with our site policies. All previous sourcing links have been edited out.

Thanks E_P!

So, has anyone gotten any positive stories regarding mushy mdosing?

Payshince wrote:Thanks E_P!

So, has anyone gotten any positive stories regarding mushy mdosing?

Yes, microdosing helps with my depression and mood. There is an increasing mainstream awareness about the benefits of microdosing. That's how I found about it. For example:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... depression

I feel this is important because prescription medicines such as Prozac have had mixed results to say the least. As a personal example, a family member was almost driven to suicide because of Prozac.
Of course, prozac has also benefited others.

The key is to educate yourself as much as possible about anything you put in your body, whether it is prozac, shrooms, and yes, even Kratom! This forum has done a big service educating people about Kratom, I'm sure all would agree.

Shrooms may or may not be for you. Before you start, you have to educate yourself and make an honest assessment of the risks. Fortunately there's a lot of stuff to read now about shrooms since they are gaining more mainstream interest and research, and have been de-criminalized in some areas.

I respect the mod's decision about sourcing, so I'll only mention it obliquely. It is best to know what you're putting in your body - where it came from, who made it, whether or not is adulterated, etc. I wouldn't touch anything from the street, for legal and health reasons.

Damen ck wrote:So theoretically, microdosing heroin is ok, because I'm only doing a small amount?

I mean...I've done it. Works great...until it doesn't... haha!
Seriously though, theoretically, microdosing anything you'd like should be an available option. Trust me, the criminality doesn't fall under the umbrella of experiments of medicinal nature, in my opinion. The criminality is taking these options off the table and making this aforementioned experiment a felony.

kratomKonnie wrote:Yes, microdosing helps with my depression and mood. There is an increasing mainstream awareness about the benefits of microdosing ... Before you start, you have to educate yourself and make an honest assessment of the risks. Fortunately there's a lot of stuff to read now about shrooms since they are gaining more mainstream interest and research, and have been de-criminalized in some areas.

Big thanks to kratom Konnie for the Info. I'm among those who are interested.. I went shroom hunting in my youth 40 years ago. Picked 'em out of cow pies back then - For some reason moved on to other things (Cocaine in the 80's lol.) Now will re-visit those magic fungii & anyone should check out Paul Stamets' books, video, presentations on YouTube. Good stuff!

Lots of experience with shrooms! Ordered my first live culture sometime
around 1972 or 1973 and periodically enjoyed them until around 2009! I equated
them to taking "a mental enema!" Definitely clears the brain pipes!

This would make a great topic for a private thread/discussion!