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Who has the best phenibut in your opinion? And why?

I've only tried nootropics depot phenibut powder.

Thanks in advance.

Liftmode has the FAA (Free Amino Acid) type of Phenibut, which I believe is superior... cost slightly more - https://liftmode.com/calming/phenibut.html

It's all made in Chinese drug labs.. the HCI form is pretty standard & so just find the best price? From any legit vendor, of course... not a Retail store.

Best? I have no idea. My thoughts are, stay far away from that stuff.

I know a few cheap places, but please don't do this. It's extremely addictive, and the withdrawals are like benzo/heroin withdrawal times 10. No hyperbole. After midterm use, it is likely to all the sudden stop working. You can take as much as you can, you're still in cold turkey Wd. You shake, you seize constantly, you hallucinate, can't concentrate on things that happened two seconds ago, no sense of time, you're literally delerious, no way to get comfortable, have incredible trouble breathing and keep feeling like you're literally on the edge of death, you're completely useless and more miserable you have ever been, times 10. And death will seem like a respite. I'll leave it at that, but I have plenty more to say about it and how the withdrawals do. Those withdrawals last for a week. Saying it's complete hell is extremely minimizing it. You will have to go to the ER at some point.

That's after just a couple months of daily use. Now, most people say "well I'll just do it once a week" which is really the maximum you should take it. But it never pans out. In the beginning it's very anxiolotic and enjoyable, weeks later you have to keep increaaing your dose to get there. I've honestly never talked to someone that says they can totally control their intake. The tolerance begins to raise immediately. They say the only way to take it normally is to do it once a week but most people do not have that kind of self-control. Or some might have that self-control but it quickly descends into everyday use.

If you discount everything we say, get a small 10gram bottle and take a gram or two every now and then. After that, mark it off your list and don't buy more. I wouldn't do that either, because once you know what it's like you will probably want to keep doing it. But some people just won't listen. This is one chemical that I'm surprised the government hasn't already banned considering that they ban substances that are a lot less dangerous. Phenibut could potentially kill you. Watch some phenibut withdrawal videos on YouTube if you don't believe me about how bad it is.... Worse than any other drug by a long shot.

Here's a cautionary tale from last year.

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BallzDeep9 wrote:Liftmode has the FAA (Free Amino Acid) type of Phenibut, which I believe is superior... cost slightly more - https://liftmode.com/calming/phenibut.html

It's all made in Chinese drug labs.. the HCI form is pretty standard & so just find the best price? From any legit vendor, of course... not a Retail store.

I think FAA is exactly the same effects wise, it's just a different form. You can take it sublingually but it costs more. It's about 2/3 more potent that HCL, or thereabouts. As far as HCL, it's all the same. ND's is the same potency and indifferentiable from Liftmode's. There are other places that sell it too, but if you've tried Nootropics Depot's, you've tried them all, and there's very little price difference. There's also f-phenibut, a lightly different chemical, which is the same just a good deal more potent (I think around 10x, but don't quote me on that) and therefore more expensive. It's harder to find than regular phenibut though, you have to find some chemist website and go through a vetting process that shows you're not going to ingest it and that it's only for research purposes.

This is one subject that reddit is actually a good resource for, a lot can be learned from r/phenibut and r/quittingphenibut. Also of note is that with the trade war with China, where it originates, the price of phenibut has gradually been increasing for some time now, and continues to rise. Not to mention the crackdowns by US law enforcement on Chinese exports.

2nd for Liftmode. That said, I didn't really 'feel it' til the 3rd time I tried it. If I recall I took about 1.5grams, which I had read is a medium to medium+ sized dose. 1 gram twice before that didn't do anything I could perceive, so essentially nothing. The 2 times I did a gram and a 1/2 after that, nothing again.

I don't know what to think about it, it did work once, but even then, it maybe lasted 45 minutes. And to illustrate how little that changed my life, I still have the other 43 1/2 grams or whatever in the cupboard, and that was a year ago ha-ha. *If* it had always been like that 3rd time, when it worked, if it was like that every time, then I could for sure recommend phenibut in general. As it is, meh, maybe it'll work better for you, but really, kind of a waste of $30+shipping or whatever it was. I stick to kratom now, it's not majick, and it's soooo not an 'upper', but it does something, and it's safe and cheap.

onespeedstop wrote:2nd for Liftmode. That said, I didn't really 'feel it' til the 3rd time I tried it. If I recall I took about 1.5grams, which I had read is a medium to medium+ sized dose. 1 gram twice before that didn't do anything I could perceive, so essentially nothing. The 2 times I did a gram and a 1/2 after that, nothing again.

I don't know what to think about it, it did work once, but even then, it maybe lasted 45 minutes. And to illustrate how little that changed my life, I still have the other 43 1/2 grams or whatever in the cupboard, and that was a year ago ha-ha. *If* it had always been like that 3rd time, when it worked, if it was like that every time, then I could for sure recommend phenibut in general. As it is, meh, maybe it'll work better for you, but really, kind of a waste of $30+shipping or whatever it was. I stick to kratom now, it's not majick, and it's soooo not an 'upper', but it does something, and it's safe and cheap.

I'm glad it didn't negatively impact you, but I think a recreational dose is more like 2-3+ grams. It lasts quite a while too, at least six hours with a larger dose. I am not condoning taking a large dose, just a warning. As I said, tolerance raises rapidly, and unless you only dose once a week, you will have to increase your dose nearly every time you take it. I don't have a link, but there's a thread somewhere on reddit or somewhere, where a guy got up to 70 grams a day. It's insane. Once it sucks you in, it's very difficult to extricate yourself. At higher doses, at first, it is quite euphoric and feels like a weak dose of MDMA. Not kidding, it gives you that intense physical euphoria, and lends itself to compulsive redosing. It reduces anxiety but doesn't make you tired, although when you do sleep on it you get intense, vivd dreams; most of mine were lucid and seemed to last hours and hours. Not totally a bad thing but I digress. It also causes tremor in higher doses, especially in the hands. Like you have parkinson's or something. I really can't stress enough how evil this drug is once you start taking it regularly.

Or maybe you did just get weak phenibut.

With that, I'll end my crusade against phenibut. Just wanted to give a comprehensive warning.

Well, next time I get around to trying it, I'll bump it up to 2 grams. I was just going for a -safe- dose, as I had read about people taking 3-5 grams and having a bad time. Not to mention the addiction/abuse potential that it supposedly has. The one time it worked was nice, kind of brief, but nice, and it's not like it costs a lot per dose even at 2 or 3 grams, more than kratom, but still way less than a 6-pack ha-ha.