USPS - Kratom Seize In Banned State in Transit to Legal One?

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USPS - Kratom Seize In Banned State in Transit to Legal One?

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Hi Guys! I hope everyone had a nice weekend.

Someone in a legal state said that their package was being held without a clear explanation at an Alabama facility. This is not the first claim like this I have heard. Has this happened to anyone here? Does anyone have any more information or ideas of what people can do if this does happen to them?

post: "Recently, one of my Kratom packages never showed up, and the USPS tracking page showed an alert. USPS has been absolutely awful in delivering my packages on time, so I waited about a week to see if it was delayed, but it still never came in. I drove down to the local post office and explained my problem to them. About ten minutes after I left, I got a phone call from the USPS distribution facility in Mobile AL. The guy said my package was seized due to Kratom being a scheduled substance in Alabama. He acknowledged it was legal in my state, and asked for my permission to check the package to make sure it contained only Kratom. And if so, they would send it to me."

So I did some research and this is the best I could get from official-y enough sources regarding domestic mail and I figure it's a general interest topic.
  • tl;dr: It looks like mail in transit is in the custody of The United States Postal Service (USPS), which is a federal entity, subject federal law, and most mail you would be sending and receiving is sealed against inspection and cannot be opened without your consent or a search warrant except under very specific circumstances which I cannot see applying to a package of kratom being sent from one legal state to another (sources).
General Information

The United States Postal Service is an independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States.

According to Jennifer Breslin, senior litigation counsel for the Postal Service:
  • In providing mail service across the country, the Postal Service attempts to work within local and state laws and regulations, when feasible...However...the Postal Service enjoys federal immunity from state and local regulation (Feb. 2013).
note: This statement was in response to USPS attempting to apply this immunity to specific postal workers regarding traffic laws to get out of tickets for parking and running red lights. It does not extend that far but mail in transit is within a federal system subject to federal laws.

Whose Mail is It?

A postmark indicates that the piece of mail has been accepted into the custody of the USPS. Once in the custody of the USPS, it is only to be delivered to the person to whom it was directed. After it has been accepted into custody and before it is released for delivery, it can only be intercepted by the recipient. If it is undeliverable, it gets returned to the sender.

Law Enforcement within USPS

The federal law enforcement and security arm of the USPS is the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
  • Postal Inspectors are federal law enforcement officers. § 233.1 Arrest and investigative powers of Postal Inspectors
  • Postal Inspectors enforce more than 200 federal laws in investigations of crimes that may adversely affect or fraudulently use the U.S. Mail, the postal system or postal employees.
  • This includes controlled substances defined under (21 USC 841, 843 & 844) - also known as Title 21 United States Code (USC) Controlled Substances Act.
Inspection of Packages

Can Postal Inspectors open mail if they feel it may contain something illegal?
  • First-Class letters and parcels are protected against search and seizure under the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution, and, as such, cannot be opened without a search warrant. If there is probable cause to believe the contents of a First-Class letter or parcel violate federal law, Postal Inspectors can obtain a search warrant to open the mailpiece.
First class mail? I don't mess with that! What About My Priority Mail Packages?

Being that kratom is not scheduled under the Controlled Substances Act, the most relevant thing I could find was Publication 14 - Prohibtions and Restrictions on Mailing Plants, Animals, and Related Matter
  • Priority Mail Express™ service (domestic or international), Priority Mail® service, First–Class Package Service™, or an international letter package [is] sealed against inspection.
It may be opened and its contents examined only if
  • the package displays on its exterior the sender's statement that it may be opened for inspection
  • the agricultural inspector telephones the addressee or sender, obtains his or her consent to open the package and examine its contents, and certifies on a form submitted to the Postal Inspection Service that such consent was obtained.
  • when neither of the foregoing types of authorization to open and examine is available, a federal search warrant is obtained based on probable cause to believe that the contents of the package will evidence violation of the marking requirement of the Terminal Inspection Act.
Obvs, once you retrieve your mail from the mail receptacle, it is in your possession and you would then be subject to the state and local laws.

What is My Recourse?

Here's the best I could find:
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Wow. I am wondering how they *know* it contains kratom.
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HigherStateD wrote:Wow. I am wondering how they *know* it contains kratom.
This was my first thought as well. Very strange. Even if they knew it was kratom, it’s not federally illegal, so the postal service should have no legit reason to seize the package, especially since its final destination is a legal state.
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HigherStateD wrote:Wow. I am wondering how they *know* it contains kratom.
Maybe the vendor doesn't do discreet shipping? Or they have certain addresses/companies red flagged?
Sounds p fishy to me either way
Edit: read some of the comments. Didn't know this kind of stuff was happening
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I wouldn't doubt it a bit - i hope ours says "miniature doll underwear"

I am leaning towards these who are talking about the shipper and who they ship with that seems to make a difference? I am hoping so. Will let you know next week eh?
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Even if they flag shippers, most vendors sell non-kratom products too. How did they *know* it was kratom...
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beathappening wrote:
HigherStateD wrote:Wow. I am wondering how they *know* it contains kratom.
Maybe the vendor doesn't do discreet shipping? Or they have certain addresses/companies red flagged?
Sounds p fishy to me either way
Edit: read some of the comments. Didn't know this kind of stuff was happening

My best guess is it sounds like someone or someones in the Alabama facility have made it a personal issue - all of the issues I have seen involve Alabama. How are why they are targeting people, I am not sure. And of course, sometimes people leave out parts of the story. My main point in putting together the info is to make sure people know what the law says and know their rights regarding because we all know that just because authority should not do something doesn't mean they will not do it. With the Ohio situation, people in Michigan were getting worried that they would be in danger if they become completely surrounded by states where kratom is banned. People in legal states do not have to worry about ordering kratom just because they live near banned states and I wanted people to have some source info so they could feel more secure than just taking the word of an internet stranger. I don't want to see anyone end up in a bad situation for lack of good information.
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best guess is it sounds like someone or someones in the Alabama facility have made it a personal issue
Personal issue, AND a political issue. - A vendor, several months ago IN rural Texas, had a website... had not only his kratom seized at local rural Post Office, but ALSO the Postmaster there (a Texas Republican) alerted the local "drug warrior" Republican law enforcement who raided his home.

Last I'd heard he was filing lawsuits and going through a long legal process. They took everything. He also stated he'd had some personal interaction with the local P.O. prior to the seizure. For reference, Texas has a history of this - a vendor Hill Country Kratom, aka HCK Wellness, was raided and had property seized, oh, back 2 years ago.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kratom/comment ... st_raided/
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