60X Extract Organic Alkaloids

[TrillpHoffman]

Has anyone tried this extract? If it is 60X then it is a pure alkaloid extract, but I can't get an answer from the sites proprietor on what it is, how it is made, or actual purity. Per the price, it's either a really good deal, or a total rip-off, so I'm wondering if anyone has tried it?

[evilday]

The most reputable vendor with extracts I know of is Caleb's Concentrates. I've used his full spectrum and it's definitely good. If you ask around I think you will hear similar responses about him. What is the name of the 60X extract vendor/website you were trying to contact?

[WotAnAtti2d]

What makes it a "pure alkaloid extract"? The only thing the number signifies is how many kilograms it took to make one kilogram of extract.

[whiffypants]

The most reputable vendor with extracts I know of is Caleb's Concentrates.

Yep, can confirm. Caleb's Concentrates and Magnum Opus Botanicals (aka "mobo") extracts are the ones I consistently hear great things about.

[TrillpHoffman]

The most reputable vendor with extracts I know of is Caleb's Concentrates. I've used his full spectrum and it's definitely good. If you ask around I think you will hear similar responses about him. What is the name of the 60X extract vendor/website you were trying to contact?

It's in the title fam. It's Organic Alkaloids. It's a vendor I found on here. I was hoping someone would be familiar with them.

I'm well acquainted with MO, and I have gone through Caleb, I just don't dig the full spectrum. I like the reds. 60X is a vague term, but it essentially works out to what a pure alkaloid extract would be. Bantered back and forth with the owner a bit and I will keep you all updated as I placed a small order.

[TrillpHoffman]

The most reputable vendor with extracts I know of is Caleb's Concentrates.

Yep, can confirm. Caleb's Concentrates and Magnum Opus Botanicals (aka "mobo") extracts are the ones I consistently hear great things about.

MO is my go to, was branching out in the case that this vendor is offering an amazing deal. If they aren't, I will roast them. Lololol

[TrillpHoffman]

The most reputable vendor with extracts I know of is Caleb's Concentrates. I've used his full spectrum and it's definitely good. If you ask around I think you will hear similar responses about him. What is the name of the 60X extract vendor/website you were trying to contact?

It's Organic Alkaloids kratom. They seem legit, but we all know that 50x and similar terms mean nothing. Which is why i came here because it's such a dubious distinction. However, if it is a legit 60x, then it's a pure alk extract. I buy from MO a few times a month, and make my own etoh based extract that is pretty bomb (freezing all the ingredients makes a huge difference), so I'm real familiar with what is quality and what is not. If it turns out to be some indo garbage, I will know right away and report back, but they claim to make their extracts in house.

Anyhow, appreciate the replies.

[BallzDeep9]

It's Organic Alkaloids kratom. They seem legit, but ...

Hi TrillpHoffman, good to see you here! Yeah I just got the Sampler from Organic Alkaloids. As you said there is another post around here somewhere.. It's a new vendor based in San Francisco bay area. She's active on Discord. Interesting mix of extract products and powders too.

Hey I could use some help, being a real novice when it comes to extracts .. I've tried the FSE from Caleb, never had MoBo - don't really know what to expect I guess? Got the 20x Sampler, and I'm probably not using enough, mixed w/ leaf.. I know the Pure Alkaloid folks use like 100 mg. Since 20x isn't nearly that strong.. I went 250 mg. Added to a small dose of leaf.

Regular Price for the 20x, is $5 per Gram.. compare that with plain leaf, standard price of $25 per 250g / 6g per dose, I'm getting 41 doses per 250g which = .60 Cents per dose. That's right, most of us get GOOD top shelf kratom, for .60 cents per dose. Or less

So, Doing The Math @ $5 per gram / should I expect 8 doses per gram? No probably not .. OK how about DOUBLE the cost then? That's where I'm at now... trying to get effects at 250 mg dose, dividing each Gram into 4 hits. So Far... I'm not really sold. It does add a little kick - But I seriously doubt, that I could do 250 mg "plain extract" and feel it much? Everything I know is that you're supposed to add extract, to spike your plain leaf. It's GOOD, but I am still testing...

[WotAnAtti2d]

A guy contacted me on MeWe about trying some crushed leaf extract. It was pretty good, as I had never even thought of crushed leaf extract. I just found one caveat using it with tea. You have to kind of find your "sync time", as the extract takes some time to hit, where the tea hits pretty much right away. I took a capsule, then waited about 30 minutes to have a cup of tea. That was my second try, the first try I took them together. I was like, "Hmmm, I don't feel the extract, then about 45 minutes later... oh, there it is." Yet one more learning curve with tea, lol.

[whiffypants]

MO is my go to, was branching out in the case that this vendor is offering an amazing deal. If they aren't, I will roast them. Lololol

Looking forward to reading your review, man. There are so many new vendors it's hard to keep up with them all.

...(freezing all the ingredients makes a huge difference)...

Yes it does. This is the tek I use for making mine.

[TrillpHoffman]

It's Organic Alkaloids kratom. They seem legit, but ...

Hi TrillpHoffman, good to see you here! Yeah I just got the Sampler from Organic Alkaloids. As you said there is another post around here somewhere.. It's a new vendor based in San Francisco bay area. She's active on Discord. Interesting mix of extract products and powders too.

Hey I could use some help, being a real novice when it comes to extracts .. I've tried the FSE from Caleb, never had MoBo - don't really know what to expect I guess? Got the 20x Sampler, and I'm probably not using enough, mixed w/ leaf.. I know the Pure Alkaloid folks use like 100 mg. Since 20x isn't nearly that strong.. I went 250 mg. Added to a small dose of leaf.

Regular Price for the 20x, is $5 per Gram.. compare that with plain leaf, standard price of $25 per 250g / 6g per dose, I'm getting 41 doses per 250g which = .60 Cents per dose. That's right, most of us get GOOD top shelf kratom, for .60 cents per dose. Or less

So, Doing The Math @ $5 per gram / should I expect 8 doses per gram? No probably not .. OK how about DOUBLE the cost then? That's where I'm at now... trying to get effects at 250 mg dose, dividing each Gram into 4 hits. So Far... I'm not really sold. It does add a little kick - But I seriously doubt, that I could do 250 mg "plain extract" and feel it much? Everything I know is that you're supposed to add extract, to spike your plain leaf. It's GOOD, but I am still testing...

This is what is confusing about them. The 20x is expensive for what it is. With that said, you're not going to be able to replace your dose with a 20x. Take part of your dose and add half a gram of the 20x, if not the whole gram.

Pure Alk is totally different. If you want to be able to break your gram up, you need to buy pure alk. Caleb's is cool, but I would recommend MO based on variety and discount. They have stock now and 100mg of their extract will do what it's supposed to do. If you are really novice, you may want to start with .5.

[TrillpHoffman]

What makes it a "pure alkaloid extract"? The only thing the number signifies is how many kilograms it took to make one kilogram of extract.

Typically an A/B extraction would make a pure alkaloid extract and typically vendors would mention purity. 60x is a nebulous distinction and all of these vendors that use these distinctions, esp. 50x and 100x are basing this on what an indo supplier has told them. As someone who makes their own extract every month without fail and has tried all of these extracts, I can tell you that these suppliers are lying or grossly inefficient. However, Organic Alkaloids, claims to be a laboratory that makes their extract in house and to my knowledge a pure alk is essentially 60x. Also, at the price $20, this falls right into the realm of what would be acceptable for a pure alk based on the current market of pure alk. If what Organic Alkaloids is selling is not a pure alk at that price, they are scammers or totally unaware of the current market. You can buy 15 gms of typical indo 50x from KOG for that price. Or 10 gms of 100x from socal. In any case, the people should know that they are either: a) getting a really good deal for pure alk or b) being overcharged and likely scammed by someone who claims to be a chemist with advanced degrees using an "advanced chemical process."

I chose to take Organic Alkaloids at their word and I will report back on whether what they are selling is legit or trash. If it's legit, then those of us who like pure alk can sing praises, if it's trash, then I would conclude that they are not who they say they are and not using the processes they claim to use. I was hoping that someone here had tried the 60x because a poster here had mentioned it, but they haven't responded, so I guess that I'll find out.

Just a heads up to anyone buying these 50x or 100x extracts, you shouldn't be paying more than $2 or $3 a gram. I stopped buying from OregonKratom--who is very cool--once they released an extract based on the cost of the extract and its quality. They are charging 3x what KOG charges for the same exact 50x product. They are either passing a bad price onto customers without knowledge of what they are selling or they are overcharging based on the trust they have built with customers by being quality people with a quality leaf. In either case, someone is getting ripped off and I want no part of that.

[BallzDeep9]

Take part of your dose and add half a gram of the 20x, if not the whole gram.

Ahh. Thanks so much for your informative post here. Look forward to your experienced review. I did another dose of their 20x today - again at the Quarter Gram/ 250 mg level - I do have a milligram scale. Once again I'm feelin' it, but, just feels like good kratom .. Based on what you're saying I should prob be taking a Half Gram.

This is good advice for those seeking extracts.. Many ppl are looking for extract, why? Usually they are opiate users / former addicts / looking for something that powder kratom cannot provide.. going back to PPG - Price Per Gram, and my Cost Per Dose which is always < $1 for even the strongest powder kratom. Now I suppose adding a Half Gram of this 20x extract .. would push the effect even stronger. Right? That would push my CPD up around $3.50

Is that what I'm looking for, really? I've got some Oxy and Hydro, to last me awhile.. IF that's what I wanted, I'd pop a Norco. I'm enjoying kratom to get away from those!! Sure I can understand someone who is replacing an opiate habit - And used to spending $$ daily

The MO Botanicals product @ $35 per Gram probably works well. He gets rave reviews, for sure! From my personal POV it's way overkill - I know MO recommends between 100 and 200mg of his pure alks. Moving from powder kratom, to Pure Alkaloids - is WAY too expensive for my taste, I wouldn't want the tolerance/ addiction issue either.

So you're on a Pure Alkaloids habit daily? How would that compare roughly to 10mg Norco pills? I know that many people are interested, in this subject. Thanks!!

[WotAnAtti2d]

What makes it a "pure alkaloid extract"? The only thing the number signifies is how many kilograms it took to make one kilogram of extract.

Typically an A/B extraction would make a pure alkaloid extract and typically vendors would mention purity. 60x is a nebulous distinction and all of these vendors that use these distinctions, esp. 50x and 100x are basing this on what an indo supplier has told them. As someone who makes their own extract every month without fail and has tried all of these extracts, I can tell you that these suppliers are lying or grossly inefficient. However, Organic Alkaloids, claims to be a laboratory that makes their extract in house and to my knowledge a pure alk is essentially 60x. Also, at the price $20, this falls right into the realm of what would be acceptable for a pure alk based on the current market of pure alk. If what Organic Alkaloids is selling is not a pure alk at that price, they are scammers or totally unaware of the current market. You can buy 15 gms of typical indo 50x from KOG for that price. Or 10 gms of 100x from socal. In any case, the people should know that they are either: a) getting a really good deal for pure alk or b) being overcharged and likely scammed by someone who claims to be a chemist with advanced degrees using an "advanced chemical process."

I chose to take Organic Alkaloids at their word and I will report back on whether what they are selling is legit or trash. If it's legit, then those of us who like pure alk can sing praises, if it's trash, then I would conclude that they are not who they say they are and not using the processes they claim to use. I was hoping that someone here had tried the 60x because a poster here had mentioned it, but they haven't responded, so I guess that I'll find out.

Just a heads up to anyone buying these 50x or 100x extracts, you shouldn't be paying more than $2 or $3 a gram. I stopped buying from OregonKratom--who is very cool--once they released an extract based on the cost of the extract and its quality. They are charging 3x what KOG charges for the same exact 50x product. They are either passing a bad price onto customers without knowledge of what they are selling or they are overcharging based on the trust they have built with customers by being quality people with a quality leaf. In either case, someone is getting ripped off and I want no part of that.

Thank you for a detailed explanation. It's refreshing to see someone that puts effort into an explanatory response.

[TrillpHoffman]

Take part of your dose and add half a gram of the 20x, if not the whole gram.

Ahh. Thanks so much for your informative post here. Look forward to your experienced review. I did another dose of their 20x today - again at the Quarter Gram/ 250 mg level - I do have a milligram scale. Once again I'm feelin' it, but, just feels like good kratom .. Based on what you're saying I should prob be taking a Half Gram.

This is good advice for those seeking extracts.. Many ppl are looking for extract, why? Usually they are opiate users / former addicts / looking for something that powder kratom cannot provide.. going back to PPG - Price Per Gram, and my Cost Per Dose which is always < $1 for even the strongest powder kratom. Now I suppose adding a Half Gram of this 20x extract .. would push the effect even stronger. Right? That would push my CPD up around $3.50

Is that what I'm looking for, really? I've got some Oxy and Hydro, to last me awhile.. IF that's what I wanted, I'd pop a Norco. I'm enjoying kratom to get away from those!! Sure I can understand someone who is replacing an opiate habit - And used to spending $$ daily

The MO Botanicals product @ $35 per Gram probably works well. He gets rave reviews, for sure! From my personal POV it's way overkill - I know MO recommends between 100 and 200mg of his pure alks. Moving from powder kratom, to Pure Alkaloids - is WAY too expensive for my taste, I wouldn't want the tolerance/ addiction issue either.

So you're on a Pure Alkaloids habit daily? How would that compare roughly to 10mg Norco pills? I know that many people are interested, in this subject. Thanks!!

I take capsules, so it is always mixed in with leaf. I used to be a heroin addict and after 4 years clean, I honestly just wanted try a something out and Kratom helped me focus as well as sleep. It's a fine line to walk, and it's a line that I'm very aware of. Honestly, it's nothing like the dope or prescription pills I used. It will never take you there. I have not taken kratom for a day and been totally fine.

Normal day, I take one capsule of a yellow, gold, and white mix that includes an etoh extract to get me going. I then take another capsule around 2pm if I need a boost or just skip it. Some days I take none at all. At night I will take between 6 to 12 capsules of a red--for lack of a better way to put it--UEI mix that is typically 1/4 etoh extract, 1/20th pure alk and whatever red mix I feel like taking for a few days (I use a capsule machine). Every now and then i drop a couple pure alk milligrams at the bottom of a capsule. I will only take one of those on a given day. This helps me unwind and get to sleep. My capsules are .5 milligrams or 1/2 gram. I imagine the amount of kratom I would have to take to get heroin high, would be crazy and I'm too busy to even try to go there. However, I do take what is essentially really strong kratom and I have no idea what it adds up to in plain leaf. I def have some sort of dependency that I don't like because I carry guilt from recovery as well as working on an advanced degree in clinical psychology where all substance is considered triage (treat first, which I think is bullshit) but I would say the kratom itself is fairly innocuous. It hasn't had a negative effect on my life. I may just stop taking it at some point and see how that goes, and that will be the real test. I don't think Kratom is totally harmless, but even if doing extract all the time is a fine-line to walk, it's a line that is far more manageable than any opioid or opiate that I've ever taken. I wish I knew about Kratom years ago when I was trying to quit dope, might have saved me a whole lot of suffering.

[TrillpHoffman]

OK, so the 60x is def a pure alkaloid, but I believe it is a salt and not a freebase which means no 7-hydroxy. I could be wrong, but it felt fast to me. I'lll try it again tomorrow and let you all know.

[whiffypants]

Thanks for the update, Trillp! Definitely looking forward to tomorrow's news as well. Good info!