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Also interested in finding more similar to these! That hangat is my baby! Love a fast redHatter97133 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:59 pm Hello! Can anyone recommend any fast reds? I loved the red kali from dte and red hangat from tfh. Looking for something similar to those
Those two are my favorite fast reds as well. Following this thread!Hatter97133 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:59 pm Hello! Can anyone recommend any fast reds? I loved the red kali from dte and red hangat from tfh. Looking for something similar to those
I’m strange, when I blend red and white it’s slow for me. Even 1:1. It is my favorite to blend and most times it’s happy and warm blanket feelings. That’s what I do at night.PistolsAtDawn wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 3:56 pm I would say find a red and a white that you like and blend them.
I have plenty of greens haha I have fast greens, slow greens, mud greens. Fast reds are different. Less anxiety and more … something I can’t put into words. Have you tried a good fast red like red hangat tfh or red kali from dte???
haha I know what you mean. The first batch of Red Krakatoa from Luckys was amazing, and I've heard good things about the Red Dragon. Good fast reds are rare thoHatter97133 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 11:23 pmI have plenty of greens haha I have fast greens, slow greens, mud greens. Fast reds are different. Less anxiety and more … something I can’t put into words. Have you tried a good fast red like red hangat tfh or red kali from dte???
Rainy seasons usually produce fast reds and mid to mid low greens.
and yeah definitely rare but when they come it’s magic ha 
I have dickloads of high mit reds in my purchase playlist. Otie's, All natural Artisan, Benni's...and these are just the ones the list the mit. But I also got a sample of Benni's GMD at the mit was like, 2% and it was fast with an edge on it that didn't do the things reds do when they are fast. I literally am in pain that without kratom would have resulted in euthanasia because it is that intolerable. I take other strains with red on occasion but mostly reds and fast reds for day use. I am not a vendor and certainly no expert, but I have had ten years of testing kratom out on this body and it is red that helps. Greens have never--and there are greens I've taken that are blissful--but they've never put the same dent into pain as does a red. But enough about me--
Oh awesome my DTE is coming in the mail today!!!Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 2:26 am just a heads up DTE has new stock in and the Red Bunut is supposed to be a faster red. Have some on the way so can't vouch for it myself yet.
Have you ever tried extracts? What color vein are extracts? If you take more then normal amount of extracts do you get sedation and relief? If you take a small amount of extract do you get energy, alertness, good mood?WhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:13 pmI have dickloads of high mit reds in my purchase playlist. Otie's, All natural Artisan, Benni's...and these are just the ones the list the mit. But I also got a sample of Benni's GMD at the mit was like, 2% and it was fast with an edge on it that didn't do the things reds do when they are fast. I literally am in pain that without kratom would have resulted in euthanasia because it is that intolerable. I take other strains with red on occasion but mostly reds and fast reds for day use. I am not a vendor and certainly no expert, but I have had ten years of testing kratom out on this body and it is red that helps. Greens have never--and there are greens I've taken that are blissful--but they've never put the same dent into pain as does a red. But enough about me--
OP wanted fast red suggestions and fast red suggestions OP shall receive. And the answers here are super beneficial for me too and will end up on some kind of master list for day kray.
thanks for the recommendation. I have actually gone so crazy in the last month or so, buying up new drops from my favorite vendors, that i haven't even tried that one yet. I have some. sometimes the best inspiration is hearing someone here recommend it.Madvillain626 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:58 pm bumping this thread to mention Super Red Rhino (E supplier) from Rhino Remedies. potent upper-mid red.
Since this thread got bumped up (and somehow I missed this the first time) I thought I'd reply - I know you personally have a thing against reds, but I have to say that here you are either full of BS or you just haven't talked with many folks. I know quite a few of people like myself who take reds predominantly and yet keep our doses low (I'm at around 6gpd - sometimes as high as 8) and yet love our reds.Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:08 pm The vast amount of people ive talked to that take only reds, typically take atleast 30gpd on average, with some in the 80-100gram range. They complain if they take Greens they get sick. Its the mit that gets most people switching from reds to greens sick. If youve truely taking kratom for 10 years you probably fit into the category of person that kratom, it works, it doesnt work. If it doesnt work take a little more.
You may find Top Shelf Red MD from TFH to be faster than most reds if you haven't tried it.Hatter97133 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:59 pm Hello! Can anyone recommend any fast reds? I loved the red kali from dte and red hangat from tfh. Looking for something similar to those
Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:08 pmWhiteAngelica wrote: ↑Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:13 pmThis is me. I take almost exclusively..reds.Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:44 pm
The vast amount of people ive talked to that take only reds, typically take atleast 30gpd on average, with some in the 80-100gram range. They complain if they take Greens they get sick. Its the mit that gets most people switching from reds to greens sick. If youve truely taking kratom for 10 years you probably fit into the category of person that kratom, it works, it doesnt work. If it doesnt work take a little more.
And im at about 30gpd
And also ya. Often when i take greens..i puke
So this totally described me
"Green Reds" ?? Lots of people really like Reds, which are Green in color. Ignore the Label...it's a Green. 
AND ~ I have seen ONE vendor... who uses a super bright, expensive, Light Table setup to carefully examine each Batch Color, and compare to other batches... that vendor is TFH. However they also use Consumer Testing - to name each batch.Maybe some miscommunication but above where i said this "The reason reds are reds, is the mit is typically low, the muscle relaxer alkaloids (the other akaloids) are still at high numbers. So your body can absorb more of the muscle relaxers, the mit tends to block recepators and blocks out the relief providing akaloids. Greens have higher mit, and the same or little more muscle relaxer akaloids. The mit in higher numbers takes over and you get mit effects more pronounced. "Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:13 amSince this thread got bumped up (and somehow I missed this the first time) I thought I'd reply - I know you personally have a thing against reds, but I have to say that here you are either full of BS or you just haven't talked with many folks. I know quite a few of people like myself who take reds predominantly and yet keep our doses low (I'm at around 6gpd - sometimes as high as 8) and yet love our reds.Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:08 pm The vast amount of people ive talked to that take only reds, typically take atleast 30gpd on average, with some in the 80-100gram range. They complain if they take Greens they get sick. Its the mit that gets most people switching from reds to greens sick. If youve truely taking kratom for 10 years you probably fit into the category of person that kratom, it works, it doesnt work. If it doesnt work take a little more.
I won't address anything else you say - all I can speak is from personal experience. But reds are my go-to for pain relief AND nighttime relaxation. No white or green I've used can match that. Perhaps this is one of those situations that kratom is far more than just mit percentages (it has to be, because extracts don't have the same effects even at much higher doses). Until actual science is applied to the study of this leaf (and very little is) we'll never really know.
Thanks Jonathan for everything you do as both a vendor and as someone who knows much more about kratom than people that have only been using kratom a few short years.Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 1:59 pmMaybe some miscommunication but above where i said this "The reason reds are reds, is the mit is typically low, the muscle relaxer alkaloids (the other akaloids) are still at high numbers. So your body can absorb more of the muscle relaxers, the mit tends to block recepators and blocks out the relief providing akaloids. Greens have higher mit, and the same or little more muscle relaxer akaloids. The mit in higher numbers takes over and you get mit effects more pronounced. "Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 9:13 amSince this thread got bumped up (and somehow I missed this the first time) I thought I'd reply - I know you personally have a thing against reds, but I have to say that here you are either full of BS or you just haven't talked with many folks. I know quite a few of people like myself who take reds predominantly and yet keep our doses low (I'm at around 6gpd - sometimes as high as 8) and yet love our reds.Jfish030 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:08 pm The vast amount of people ive talked to that take only reds, typically take atleast 30gpd on average, with some in the 80-100gram range. They complain if they take Greens they get sick. Its the mit that gets most people switching from reds to greens sick. If youve truely taking kratom for 10 years you probably fit into the category of person that kratom, it works, it doesnt work. If it doesnt work take a little more.
I won't address anything else you say - all I can speak is from personal experience. But reds are my go-to for pain relief AND nighttime relaxation. No white or green I've used can match that. Perhaps this is one of those situations that kratom is far more than just mit percentages (it has to be, because extracts don't have the same effects even at much higher doses). Until actual science is applied to the study of this leaf (and very little is) we'll never really know.
Its refering to how the reason reds are great for pain and sedation is that the muscle relaxers get to work more together with the mit. When you flood the brain with MIT (greens, high mit) the muscle relaxers have no where to bind to, the receptors are all full. That second line i said previously was suppose to mention greens (high mit, blocks out the relief providing akaloids). And i normally say Red color is Red strain, because the drying method outdoor sundried oxidies the leaves and lowers the mit, but the other akaloids are normally not broken down so they stay a same levels. Leading to a low mit and normal additional akaloids.
Ive been preaching for 1-2 years now how the additional alkaloids actually shape the kratom experience, but the problem is mit at different amounts produces different effects (from energy/stimulation all the way to sedation at high amounts). The only effect that is constant is the more mit you take the less receptors for the additional alkaloids to bind to so at max mit your going to have the same experience for all. (probably extreme sedation and slowed heart rate.) Which has been studied on rats when they tried to find the lethal amount.
The problem is people that like fast reds, that are green powder. That is what i consider a green strain. Some vendors market that as a red. The reason people do this is because almost everyone new into kratom reads reds are best for pain and most people switching to kratom were using something for pain. So your entry point into kratom is typically mostly red purchases. Most humans either like stimulation or sedation effects, some like to play with both but most people are uppers or downers. If you want to sell the best red you play both sides and market to both as a red.
With kratom the active alkaloid is mitragynine, after years of usage you do get attached to that mit. Greens typically have more mit then reds, so most consumers eventually switch to greens/whites. Some people have real reasons for using kratom like relief or other issues, they dont normally switch to greens because they body wants that relief instead of chasing mit. The problem is when someone is using alot of powder per day (not healthy nor safe) because some of them are actually chasing the mit when they could switch and lower amounts used and get good effects from greens.
Reading labs and understanding the alkaloids, or the amount of alkaloids your in-taking can do wonders for getting you in the area of finding kratom that works best for you. There's more work industry wide on getting the powder more consistent per batch/lab test and making sure people keep labs updated but i think things will become more clear as the kratom continues.
Sorry, TL:DR (well, sort of skimmed) but essentially you are presenting the same thing - that there is no need for reds (you qualify it as "some" people but let's face it, you don't sell reds so you don't like them).
Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:01 pmSorry, TL:DR (well, sort of skimmed) but essentially you are presenting the same thing - that there is no need for reds (you qualify it as "some" people but let's face it, you don't sell reds so you don't like them).
I use them all - reds, whites, greens and from some of the biggies (I'm a member of TFH and Denette) and I still think you're full of it. Yes, I know quite well there are "reds" that aren't reds, but honestly, there are very specific red effects you cannot get any other way. I know this from long experimentation - and if you feel different it's only YOUR experience (as it is mine). There's no real science behind this, of course (we don't have ANY studies on kratom that can differentiate these things).
I ESPECIALLY like mixing greens with reds - get the euphoria from the green, and the pain relief from the reds. Neither counteracts the other, they both blend extremely well. NO other way to get that, not with any green there is.
Mass marketed kratom will be all standardized batches. They will make the product consistent by enhancing the powders. So that way its the same every time. If they do the red,white,green. Each color will have specific levels of alkaloids to produce different effects to the majority of the users.boureka wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:52 pm ...Kelley , this makes me wonder...
....something slightly topic adjacent
How are they ever going to mass market kratom once it becomes fully recognized as safe and legal? I believe it will happen. With a querulous physiology like mine, I need lots and lots and lots of variety with constant novelty. That's why I depend on new batches and multi vendors. Yeah, I need variety in, say, ice cream too..but it's not the same. I can rotate among a few favorites with a new flavor thrown in here and there. Not so with kratom... constantly need new and (ideally) only return to the old after a lonnng break.
BTW, I keep abusing my kratom "privileges" and need yet another break. There's simply not enough novelty to keep my burns going if I use kratom regularly.
You will learn a lot from JFish. I would be careful with advice or take with a grain of salt from at least one who post a lot but has only been using kratom 2 or 3 years. JFish and Ballz along with a few others who have been on this forum since it began 2018 are very knowledgeable.
I didn't mean to repost Kelleytoons. I meant to respond. Nevermind.Kelleytoons wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:32 pm Yeah I don't think it's that easy and I don't think you do, either (or, if you do you don't know as much about kratom as you seem to think you do).
It's VERY clear that kratom's effects are synergistic - and VERY particular from individual to individual (thus probably a synergism of body chemistry as well). This is why those of us who have made extracts know there is something "left" even after all the alkaloids have been extracted, and that *something* is key to the entire kratom powder existance.
Thus no amount of research or looking up of individual numbers will tell you whether a particular batch is good for you or not. It's a bit like a movie production - you can't tell how good a movie will be from the quality of the actors, writing and directing because something happens between all of those things that ends up giving a movie its particular quality. And it also doesn't mean that everyone will like a movie no matter how good the individual parts that make it up will be NOR how well others like it. In the end there is magic that just can't be accounted for.
So - I wish folks would stop talking about this or that percentage, or even what color is this or that. Just tell me what BATCH they enjoyed and how it affected THEM. For certain folks whose chemistry appears to match mine this is as good as indicator as it gets. All the rest is just mumbo jumbo.