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Since Kelleytoons started a blends thread a few days ago - "Custom Blends Synergy - Best Practices?" - I thought I'd fork it and start this one for people to suggest some of their favorite blends :D

What made me think of it, besides Kelleytoons' topic, is the blend that SusieQ suggested a little while ago - Denette615 Green Asia AR5 + Denette615 Green Remote Jungle SK18. I mixed them 50/50 a few days ago, and it was honestly the best and nicest burn I've probably had this year. REALLY euphoric, great pain relief, happy happy galore - and long legs on top of it all! No idea if it'll work the same way next time for me, but I'm sooooo glad I saw SusieQ's post!

Whaddaya all think? Got a favorite blend or two to suggest?
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I tend to blend a lot at the end of the day on my last serving. Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday I had a fantastic blend that really surprised me! 30-Year Wild White TFH blended with DTE Classic GMD A-7. This was a 2:1 ratio, two parts TFH and one part DTE. If anyone has these on hand I highly recommend giving this a try! This was easily the best burn of the week. Also just a side note, I find the 2:1 ratios or even 3:1 tend to work out better than 1:1 just in my experience.
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Joshgreenhorn wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:09 am I tend to blend a lot at the end of the day on my last serving. Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday I had a fantastic blend that really surprised me! 30-Year Wild White TFH blended with DTE Classic GMD A-7. This was a 2:1 ratio, two parts TFH and one part DTE. If anyone has these on hand I highly recommend giving this a try! This was easily the best burn of the week. Also just a side note, I find the 2:1 ratios or even 3:1 tend to work out better than 1:1 just in my experience.
Thanks for the response! I was afraid this thread was gonna just disappear, and I know a lot of folks have come up with good blends that I wish they'd share. The one I mentioned from SusieQ is a great example - amazing blend! :D

Another one that a lot of people have mentioned is mixing Otie's White Elephant with various other "strains" - it does tend to make for a good blend.

Of course, there are no guarantees that someone else's blend will work for you - but it's a great place to start!
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SeventhHeaven wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:40 pm
Joshgreenhorn wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:09 am I tend to blend a lot at the end of the day on my last serving. Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday I had a fantastic blend that really surprised me! 30-Year Wild White TFH blended with DTE Classic GMD A-7. This was a 2:1 ratio, two parts TFH and one part DTE. If anyone has these on hand I highly recommend giving this a try! This was easily the best burn of the week. Also just a side note, I find the 2:1 ratios or even 3:1 tend to work out better than 1:1 just in my experience.
Huh. I replied to this, and after CloudFlare "checked my connection" my reply vanished. I'll try again.

Thanks for the response! I was afraid this thread was gonna just disappear, and I know a lot of folks have come up with good blends that I wish they'd share. The one I mentioned from SusieQ is a great example - amazing blend! :D

Another one that a lot of people have mentioned is mixing Otie's White Elephant with various other "strains" - it does tend to make for a good blend.

Of course, there are no guarantees that someone else's blend will work for you - but it's a great place to start!
Definitely a great place to start! I blend at least once a day if not two. Every once and a while I will really find a face melter and it's like striking gold! At the end of the day, I like to take a pretty hefty serving. If I take something too strong I don't get good effects. Nausea and sweats usually. That's why I tend to blend at the end of the day. The next time I come across a blend that really stood out I will pop back in here and list it.
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SeventhHeaven wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:40 pm
Joshgreenhorn wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:09 am I tend to blend a lot at the end of the day on my last serving. Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday I had a fantastic blend that really surprised me! 30-Year Wild White TFH blended with DTE Classic GMD A-7. This was a 2:1 ratio, two parts TFH and one part DTE. If anyone has these on hand I highly recommend giving this a try! This was easily the best burn of the week. Also just a side note, I find the 2:1 ratios or even 3:1 tend to work out better than 1:1 just in my experience.
Huh. I replied to this, and after CloudFlare "checked my connection" my reply vanished. I'll try again.

Thanks for the response! I was afraid this thread was gonna just disappear, and I know a lot of folks have come up with good blends that I wish they'd share. The one I mentioned from SusieQ is a great example - amazing blend! :D

Another one that a lot of people have mentioned is mixing Otie's White Elephant with various other "strains" - it does tend to make for a good blend.

Of course, there are no guarantees that someone else's blend will work for you - but it's a great place to start!
It's funny you mentioned Oties White Elephant, Superb blender for sure. The 7/22 batch I have blended with quite often. A Standout for me has been WE 7-22/Sosa Green Bone F18 in a 1:1 ratio... absolutely amazing and insane legs. Anyone who still has some Green Bone F18 laying around from the YLYL stash sale should definitely give it a whirl. A very popular Blend with the MeWe Community(Some say MeWe is dead...ITS NOT) is Oties WE/TFH 30 yr Wild Hangat Hulu. Of course DRHK3/Oties WE is a Smokin' Burn as well. I use these blends in a 1:1 ratio and love them. Others have reported great success with 1:3, 2:1, etc.
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BookofEnoch1914 wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:49 pm
SeventhHeaven wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:40 pm
Joshgreenhorn wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 9:09 am I tend to blend a lot at the end of the day on my last serving. Sometimes it works out great, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday I had a fantastic blend that really surprised me! 30-Year Wild White TFH blended with DTE Classic GMD A-7. This was a 2:1 ratio, two parts TFH and one part DTE. If anyone has these on hand I highly recommend giving this a try! This was easily the best burn of the week. Also just a side note, I find the 2:1 ratios or even 3:1 tend to work out better than 1:1 just in my experience.
Huh. I replied to this, and after CloudFlare "checked my connection" my reply vanished. I'll try again.

Thanks for the response! I was afraid this thread was gonna just disappear, and I know a lot of folks have come up with good blends that I wish they'd share. The one I mentioned from SusieQ is a great example - amazing blend! :D

Another one that a lot of people have mentioned is mixing Otie's White Elephant with various other "strains" - it does tend to make for a good blend.

Of course, there are no guarantees that someone else's blend will work for you - but it's a great place to start!
It's funny you mentioned Oties White Elephant, Superb blender for sure. The 7/22 batch I have blended with quite often. A Standout for me has been WE 7-22/Sosa Green Bone F18 in a 1:1 ratio... absolutely amazing and insane legs. Anyone who still has some Green Bone F18 laying around from the YLYL stash sale should definitely give it a whirl. A very popular Blend with the MeWe Community(Some say MeWe is dead...ITS NOT) is Oties WE/TFH 30 yr Wild Hangat Hulu. Of course DRHK3/Oties WE is a Smokin' Burn as well. I use these blends in a 1:1 ratio and love them. Others have reported great success with 1:3, 2:1, etc.
i don't have the wild hangat hulu but that DRKH3/White Elephant blend sounds dope, will definitely try that one out.
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BookofEnoch1914 wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 10:49 pm It's funny you mentioned Oties White Elephant, Superb blender for sure. The 7/22 batch I have blended with quite often. A Standout for me has been WE 7-22/Sosa Green Bone F18 in a 1:1 ratio... absolutely amazing and insane legs. Anyone who still has some Green Bone F18 laying around from the YLYL stash sale should definitely give it a whirl. A very popular Blend with the MeWe Community(Some say MeWe is dead...ITS NOT) is Oties WE/TFH 30 yr Wild Hangat Hulu. Of course DRHK3/Oties WE is a Smokin' Burn as well. I use these blends in a 1:1 ratio and love them. Others have reported great success with 1:3, 2:1, etc.
I'ma have to look and see if I have Wild Hangat Hulu - I know I do have some form of Red Hangat Hulu, if it's the Wild One™ :lol: I'll have to try that blend! And I've been pondering some blends with DRHK3 - as I recall, Heavenleaf Laura herself (I think) said it was great for blends.

Thanks! :D
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Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
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Kelleytoons wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:25 pm Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
What batches from Denette have you found to be the slowest/sedating and best for pain relief in the evening?
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I tend to not blend as I have a hard enough time getting a sturdy feeling about a single batch. When I have mixed, the results tend to be just ok.
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Vipercuda69 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:27 pm
Kelleytoons wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:25 pm Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
What batches from Denette have you found to be the slowest/sedating and best for pain relief in the evening?
Always get ANY Red Bone batches Denette sells - I have the 39, 40 and 41 (I do believe) and each and every one is a great nighttime dose (I always take a red at night to help me sleep and ease the aches and pains of an old man's day :>).

His Red MD KA22 is/was also super for this but remember (and sorry if I'm preaching to the choir) but you can't just go by general names - which is to say, even Denette may sell a batch called MD but NOT the KA22 one and it won't be the same at all. As a rule suppliers are more consistent, and his codes for those are the endings (So I'm guessing that KA is a supplier for him). Based on that you might look to see if he has other Reds from the KA (or perhaps just K) supplier and have a PRETTY good idea they will be similar.

Also - assuming you are either a member or taking advantage of his open sales - Eric is pretty good about advice. Ask him what you are looking for and assuming he has the time he will give you honest answers. His greens are legendary, but his reds do make up around 30% of my red collection (by far TFH is the majority, with about 55% from them).
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Kelleytoons wrote: Sat Sep 30, 2023 3:23 pm
Vipercuda69 wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 7:27 pm
Kelleytoons wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:25 pm Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
What batches from Denette have you found to be the slowest/sedating and best for pain relief in the evening?
Always get ANY Red Bone batches Denette sells - I have the 39, 40 and 41 (I do believe) and each and every one is a great nighttime dose (I always take a red at night to help me sleep and ease the aches and pains of an old man's day :>).

His Red MD KA22 is/was also super for this but remember (and sorry if I'm preaching to the choir) but you can't just go by general names - which is to say, even Denette may sell a batch called MD but NOT the KA22 one and it won't be the same at all. As a rule suppliers are more consistent, and his codes for those are the endings (So I'm guessing that KA is a supplier for him). Based on that you might look to see if he has other Reds from the KA (or perhaps just K) supplier and have a PRETTY good idea they will be similar.

Also - assuming you are either a member or taking advantage of his open sales - Eric is pretty good about advice. Ask him what you are looking for and assuming he has the time he will give you honest answers. His greens are legendary, but his reds do make up around 30% of my red collection (by far TFH is the majority, with about 55% from them).
Thanks for the thorough reply. I’m a big fan of TFH and Denette. Well over half of my stash is TFH. I agree that Eric’s Greens are legendary. I’ve tried so many vendors I’ve lost count. But Eric’s Greens are some of the best I’ve had in the last nearly 9 years. My most recent order from Eric was:

GREENS
Sungai-SK17
Sumba-SK18
Tomok-SK17
Riau-SK18

REDS
Kelabit-SK18
Moya-SK18
Sarawak-SK17
Bone-SK18

It just arrived the other day, so I haven’t tried any of it yet, except for the samples (which were quite good). I seem to impulsively go straight for the samples first when I get an order. I do have Red Ketambe-SK15 and Red Pure-F4 that I grabbed a few months ago, but I haven’t tried them yet. Unfortunately, I see no Red KA batches in my stash. I’ll have to try some Reds from the KA supplier next time. But I do have the latest Red Bone-SK18. I’ll likely give that one a try this evening.

Thanks again.
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I ended up with a fire-ass blend yesterday... Grade A green and nitro Nanga, both from TFH. Those two synergize very well with each other. The ratio was 2:1 Solid mood lift and chill, perfect after a long hard day at work.
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Kelleytoons wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:25 pm Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
And THIS is why I started this topic! 🤗🤗🤗 YIPPEEE!

People mention blends occasionally in other places, like in the "What's burnin'' today?" thread, but I figured it'd be awesome to have an actual resource for the blends that really hit well.

I've got both red and green D615 Bones, so I'll be giving that a try soon. And yeah, specific batches do vary and matter, but it's a great starting place!

Thanks, incredibly old guy! 💖

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Had an awesome blend earlier of tfh Bali bliss and dte 20 yr white md. Really nice combo with some energy and a big mood boost
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DTE seems to blend very well with most TFH. The majority of my blends are these two. I particularly like blending the A supplier with TFH.
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Well, I can add another fire-ass blend to this thread. Mitra Genie RB2 and DTE Super Red Kali A8. If anyone happens to have these two, go heavy on the RB2 with just a few grams of the A8. Such a warm relaxing burn hitting mid-low.
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Red Bali and Yellow Vietnam - Smiley Time Herbals from around Feb. or March 2019 - pure bliss

Green Jongkong Lot 12 blended with White Jongkong - Botanical Bunny from Oct. 2018 - Major euphoria, mood boost
and nice comfortable energy.

...and last, but not least and my latest sweet blend...White Elephant Batch 33 Treasure House Jan. 2019 blended with
the latest TFH Top-Shelf Red Melawi...just what ya' would expect from a potent fast white and and killer afternoon
Red...smooth sailin'! 8-)
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instantKARMA wrote: Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:43 pm Red Bali and Yellow Vietnam - Smiley Time Herbals from around Feb. or March 2019 - pure bliss

Green Jongkong Lot 12 blended with White Jongkong - Botanical Bunny from Oct. 2018 - Major euphoria, mood boost
and nice comfortable energy.

...and last, but not least and my latest sweet blend...White Elephant Batch 33 Treasure House Jan. 2019 blended with
the latest TFH Top-Shelf Red Melawi...just what ya' would expect from a potent fast white and and killer afternoon
Red...smooth sailin'! 8-)
Nice! My red Malawi is scheduled for delivery tomorrow, super stoked.
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Today I tried blending 2/3 Wildcraft Deep Red with 1/3 Otie's White Elephant, and it didn't disappoint 😁 In fact, it was pretty much what I semi-expected AND hoped for!

The Wildcraft Deep Red is a very relaxing and glowy fermented red on its own, and adding Otie's White Elephant - which is turning out to be a GREAT mixing white - added just a little go power and some nice "chattiness" to the soft glow of the Deep Red.

I like it!
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Since my osteoarthritis (the main reason I got into kratom originally) has been unusually painful the last couple of days, I decided to try a 50/50 blend of Viable's Maha Kali Red Vein + Denette615's Yellow Midnight.

Oh my 😮

VERY sloooowwwww start, I kind of wondered for a bit if they'd canceled each other out or something, but at about an hour and a half I have to say, 🎵 I - have become - comfortably numb 🎵

🤣🤣🤣

Pain, schmain. Ain't got none, and I was really hurting when I got up this morning!
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Since viewing this thread I've been experimenting with various blends and stumbled upon this gem:

TFH Crème de la Bali/The Bali Bliss: blended 1:1

Exceptionally potent/strong (actually potent AF depending on...whatever), relaxing but not really sedating
and some sweet euphoria. I've tried several different blends using the de la Bali/Bliss blended in equal parts
with TFH Sapphira Samarinda, Traditional Red Dayak, Gold Rush (oxidized), Baik Bali Red Especial and the results
have been spectacular. All of these are standouts on their own but blended with de la Bali/Bliss? Holy Hell! :o

Caution: numbness of the tongue and lips may occur!
Also, my wife, who normally doesn't use leaf, wanted a good bedtime relaxer. I whipped out...er :? ...whipped up a
nice blend of the de la Bali/Bliss and she was awake and itching all freakin' night and a little the next morning!
We're not just talkin' about itching, we're talkin' about ITCHING sooo.....be warned!


(disclaimer: The views expressed herein are solely those of the presenter. For others, results may vary.)
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I *think* (have to check, though) that I've rated both of these a 5, which means (as a rule) that I would never blend them (I only blend 4's, the lowest rated ones in my rotation). But I might just try it for fun (we'll see - I have SO much kratom right now I'm not sure I'll even get through my rotation this year).
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instantKARMA wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 7:55 pm Since viewing this thread I've been experimenting with various blends and stumbled upon this gem:

TFH Crème de la Bali/The Bali Bliss: blended 1:1

...

...Baik Bali Red Especial and the results
have been spectacular. All of these are standouts on their own but blended with de la Bali/Bliss? Holy Hell! :o
It's wonderful when you find a "strain / batch / bag.of.kratom" that just blends well with everything! Another well-known one is Otie's White Elephant (also mentioned above in this thread), I've never had a miss with a blend that includes that.

Question: When you're mixing "de la Bali/Bliss" with other kratom, are you including both Bali & Bliss in the blends? Or is it an either/or thing? I'm asking because I don't think I have Bali Bliss, but I DO have both Baik Bali Red Especiale and Creme de la Bali, and that does sound like a good blend to try!
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SeventhHeaven wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:18 pm
Question: When you're mixing "de la Bali/Bliss" with other kratom, are you including both Bali & Bliss in the blends? Or is it an either/or thing? I'm asking because I don't think I have Bali Bliss, but I DO have both Baik Bali Red Especiale and Creme de la Bali, and that does sound like a good blend to try!
Yes, I've been using both in the blends I've experimented with. I find them both to be exceptionally potent on
their own but blended together makes for a very potent burn. My favorite bedtime blend of late is equal parts
of Baik Bali Red Especiale, Creme de la Bali and The Bali Bliss. The Baik Bali Red Especiale blends very well with
the Creme da la Bali. I've had good results blending the de la Bali with several fast whites too, specifically Treasure
House White Elephant Batch #33 which, on it's own, is very potent and fast AF. The Creme de la Bali definitely takes
the edge off of fast whites.
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instantKARMA wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2023 7:06 am ...
Awesome, thank you!! I vaguely think I MIGHT have a sample of the Bliss, need to check, but I'll definitely try the Creme with Baik Bali Red Especiale and some whites :D

When you find a great blend, it makes the kratom experience that much better! And it's funny how some "strains/batches" just lend themselves to being good for blending 🤗
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Re: 🔥 What's Your Favorite Blend(s)? 💖

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Had an Amazing burn this morning with DRHK3/TFH Jolly Red Giant 1:1. I threw 10% in plain leaf weight of Entheofarm Haystack S&V on top, the legs on this burn were otherworldly. Even without the Haystack I can see this combo slapping
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Re: 🔥 What's Your Favorite Blend(s)? 💖

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Thanks, BookofEnoch1914! I tried your DRHK3/TFH Jolly Red Giant 1:1 blend yesterday, but instead of Entheofarm Haystack S&V on top I used ANA's Jungle Jade 20% :D

VERY nice blend! 🤩
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Re: 🔥 What's Your Favorite Blend(s)? 💖

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Another surprisingly nice blend - and Otie's White Elephant does it again!

2/3 LSMS Jade MD (2023) + 1/3 Otie's White Elephant.

For me, about 6 hours of pain-free, happy, good feels! 😎

LOVE IT!
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Re: 🔥 What's Your Favorite Blend(s)? 💖

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Kelleytoons wrote: Fri Sep 29, 2023 4:25 pm Last night on a whim I tried blending 1 gram of Denette's Green Bone with 2 grams of his Red Bone.

Man - I do not know what is IN the Bone batches, but this combo came close to being the best kratom I've ever had. It was both euphoric as well as pain relieving and about a solid a hit as I've ever had. I should also note that both of these batches, separately, I rated a 4 out of 5. Together - a 5+!
I finally got around to trying this blend - 2/3 Denette615 Red Bone B38 + 1/3 Denette615 Green Bone B3.

And hot damn, this is VERY nice!! 🤗🤗🤗

I'd dosed each one separately a couple of times back when I got them, and like Kelleytoons said, they were good, but not spectacular. But the blend is awesome! 💥💖💥
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Re: 🔥 What's Your Favorite Blend(s)? 💖

Post by Kelleytoons »

Yeah, I have to remember this one (and for an old man, this is VERY hard to remember :>).
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