4th Times the Charm?

[Kelleytoons]

So I'm trying to go through ALL my kratom capsules in an effort to get organized (yeah, right) and in trying out some of my stuff I hadn't put a rating on the bottle yet I tried some TFH Gathered Wild Magic MD (no idea if this is still available or not - sorry).

Anyway - it was a solid 5 (out of 5) and I realized that for this bottle to have been where it was I had to have tried the batch at least a couple of times, most likely three. My usual routine is to try a sample once and if it hits I mark the value on the bottle. If it doesn't I wait a week or two and try again. And then, in the case of TFH in particular, I nearly always try a third time. USUALLY at that point I rate them 1 (the lowest) and put away but I've been remiss at marking my lower batches so I'm getting around to the final 5 or 10.

In any case, it just reminded me of how many times I've had a batch not work well (or at all) the first few times, and then work fine. And, 9 out of 10 times, it always works fine after that. Do any of you have this happen? Does it happen more with TFH than any other vendor? (For some reason I've heard more anecdotes about this happening with TFH than with others). And what the actual frick is going on that this would be the case? Does your body just have to get used to something? (Kind of the opposite of tolerance issues - kind of an acquired taste effect).

[Joshgreenhorn]

So I'm trying to go through ALL my kratom capsules in an effort to get organized (yeah, right) and in trying out some of my stuff I hadn't put a rating on the bottle yet I tried some TFH Gathered Wild Magic MD (no idea if this is still available or not - sorry).

Anyway - it was a solid 5 (out of 5) and I realized that for this bottle to have been where it was I had to have tried the batch at least a couple of times, most likely three. My usual routine is to try a sample once and if it hits I mark the value on the bottle. If it doesn't I wait a week or two and try again. And then, in the case of TFH in particular, I nearly always try a third time. USUALLY at that point I rate them 1 (the lowest) and put away but I've been remiss at marking my lower batches so I'm getting around to the final 5 or 10.

In any case, it just reminded me of how many times I've had a batch not work well (or at all) the first few times, and then work fine. And, 9 out of 10 times, it always works fine after that. Do any of you have this happen? Does it happen more with TFH than any other vendor? (For some reason I've heard more anecdotes about this happening with TFH than with others). And what the actual frick is going on that this would be the case? Does your body just have to get used to something? (Kind of the opposite of tolerance issues - kind of an acquired taste effect).

Absolutely it seems to be a TFH thing. Very strange, mind mind-boggling really. So with TFH I always have to give it at least three tries, usually by the third one I can see what it is all about. As far as what's going on I couldn't tell ya. I wish I knew. Also, a lot of my friends experience the same thing with TFH leaf. However, I can say most vendors burn out on me quickly. I tend to take something all the time if I really like it. But with TFH, 9 out of 10 times that doesn't happen. I can go through a 250 and order more if I want.

[Adrumaddict]

Yep this happens to me as well and more so with TFH than any other. Makes absolutely no sense but there it is. Coincidentally the Wild Gathered also took me a few tries before it worked, but when it finally did it blew my head off.

[Joshgreenhorn]

Yep this happens to me as well and more so with TFH than any other. Makes absolutely no sense but there it is. Coincidentally the Wild Gathered also took me a few tries before it worked, but when it finally did it blew my head off.

I haven't tried the new batch of Magic MD but I do have the last batch from a couple of years ago. It was called Wild Harvested Magic MD MUK-4SD. It was pretty good as well, maybe I should pull it back out tonight.

[Madvillain626]

First time I dosed TFH's Old School Green Bali was easily my favorite burn this year. Almost overwhelming u4ia. It still hits every time but that first dose was next level. TFH leaf either takes a few doses to get a feel for it (Jolly Red Giant) or it knocks my socks off first dose. (Classic White MD from 2020)

[brassy]

I don't even bother rating them anymore unless a strain is a total dud for me.
So much of how it hits me seems to be contingent on how thoroughly I am digesting (meaning bowel regularity) so I'm religious about fiber and laxatives.
Definitely I've had strains that seemed exceptional but even on the rare occasions when I manage to order more of the same batch number, I can't seem to replicate the results.
I do think piperine (black pepper) extract pills seem to help a bit with the efficacy.
But apart from all the physical variables, I also notice a huge difference if it is sunny outside. (Sunlight affects my mood).
Seems like if I'm a bit less depressed than usual the kratom works better (kind of wish it was the opposite).

[Kelleytoons]

Might also experiment with your eating schedules.

I started having EVERYTHING hit and hit well about six months ago and the only change was I was taking my dose BEFORE I ate and then eating almost exactly 30 minutes later. I've kept this up and it seems to work very well indeed.

Some people swear that it only works for them when their stomach is full (it doesn't make much sense but a lot about kratom does not). In any case, it's worth a chart to see exactly when and where things it.

And, as always, it's worth mentioning keeping your doses low - no more than 3 grams but lower is better (my usual dose is around 2). Less is indeed more.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I wish the eating 20min after worked for me. I'm trying to juggle stuff around to get that effect.

And yes, some batches just take a few times to hit.

Also some hit and then turn into duds.

[Babel-17]

Might also experiment with your eating schedules.

I started having EVERYTHING hit and hit well about six months ago and the only change was I was taking my dose BEFORE I ate and then eating almost exactly 30 minutes later. I've kept this up and it seems to work very well indeed.

Some people swear that it only works for them when their stomach is full (it doesn't make much sense but a lot about kratom does not). In any case, it's worth a chart to see exactly when and where things it.

And, as always, it's worth mentioning keeping your doses low - no more than 3 grams but lower is better (my usual dose is around 2). Less is indeed more.

Hmm, if you're up for some experimenting, research Xylitol, ask your doctor if it would OK for you to ingest, and think about taking around a teaspoon of it in a tea/coffee of your choice with your Kratom, or soon after taking your Kratom. Among it's properties, it can speed things through the digestion/absorption/elimination process if things are sluggish, or even normal, which is possibly what eating a small meal 30 minutes after taking Kratom is already doing.

P.S. I've always had good results with sipping on a sugar free lemon or lime juice based drink. The added fluid plus the bit of acidity probably, imo, being most of why. I use Stevia as a sweetener, fwiw.

Xylitol ingestion also increases motilin secretion

The main function of motilin is to increase the migrating myoelectric complex component of gastrointestinal motility and stimulate the production of pepsin. Motilin is also called "housekeeper of the gut" because it improves peristalsis in the small intestine and clears out the gut to prepare for the next meal. A high level of motilin secreted between meals into the blood stimulates the contraction of the fundus and antrum and accelerates gastric emptying.

The above quotes are from the Wikipedia pages of Xylitol, and Motilin, respectively. I buy my Xylitol in bulk from Amazon with subscribe and save, and the brand I currently use is microingredients. I paid $31.45 for six pounds back in August. Fwiw, I use it as an adjunct to Stevia when sweeting a beverage with it, never as the primary sweetener, and rarely more than a couple of teaspoons a day in total. Along with a drink of insoluble fiber, magnesium citrate, a bit of citric acid granules (because magnesium citrate these days is sold in the form with less citrate), it can be part of a morning routine to help keep constipation at bay.

[Kelleytoons]

Well, I'm always up for some experimentation. Perhaps I'll order some Xylitol and give it a try.

[boureka]

Careful with xylitol if you're prone to kidney stones or IBS. Also, it's poisonous to doggos.