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Totomman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:30 am Comming from bodybuilding and endurance running I know how much the whole food is vastly different from the whole food and studies on safety is often misrepresented. Example: “fructose is bad”. Because they used some concentrated fructose, now people say apples are bad because of fructose. They took a study on concentrated fructose and conflated it with fructose in Whole Foods with fiber and enzymes. Same way juicing apples everyday is really bad but eating apples isn’t. Let’s take rice. Rice chilled and reheated won’t spike insulin too much. Simply grinding rice into cream of rice basically makes it a sudo PED. cream of rice will spike insulin soooooo high it’s not funny. Same with oats.

I wonder how that concept applies to kratom. The studies and “we been using it for 1k years” anecdotes, but have we? How been boiling fresh leaves and tossing the leaves. Swallowing 10g of kratom a day is like eating 50 whole dry leaves per week. Essentially “coffee is safe, so imma eat straight grounds” and vice versa with extracts.

Nelson Baboon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 12:10 pm

Totomman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 6:30 am Comming from bodybuilding and endurance running I know how much the whole food is vastly different from the whole food and studies on safety is often misrepresented. Example: “fructose is bad”. Because they used some concentrated fructose, now people say apples are bad because of fructose. They took a study on concentrated fructose and conflated it with fructose in Whole Foods with fiber and enzymes. Same way juicing apples everyday is really bad but eating apples isn’t. Let’s take rice. Rice chilled and reheated won’t spike insulin too much. Simply grinding rice into cream of rice basically makes it a sudo PED. cream of rice will spike insulin soooooo high it’s not funny. Same with oats.

I wonder how that concept applies to kratom. The studies and “we been using it for 1k years” anecdotes, but have we? How been boiling fresh leaves and tossing the leaves. Swallowing 10g of kratom a day is like eating 50 whole dry leaves per week. Essentially “coffee is safe, so imma eat straight grounds” and vice versa with extracts.

I can't quite make out the specific question. What 'safe' means here - i'm not sure. From what i can tell, for instance, coffee isn't 'good for you', meaning some correlation with various conditions, etc (wish i remembered better), once you start getting into multiple cups per day. But when we say 'not safe', what do we mean? Surely not anything that deviates from the most pure, whole foods diet.

I think that what you might be asking is whether we know whether there are any long term deleterious effects from taking kratom? I don't think that we have too many people who have taken it for many years, and yeah - obviously taking the powder is different than chewing on leaves, etc. But what is the question?