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Asking for anyone's experience using stem and vein to either wash out or lower their dose. I have used stem and vein with some success as a wash out tool but never knew if its efficacy was from supplying me with a low dose of active kratom components or from its placebo effect. Wondering what other's experience was. Thanks in advance.

I use it every day to get me through the morning usually take my 1st kratom dose at 12 p.m. on
weekends I use it through the day until nighttime. it's a tool to help keep kratom doses low 2-3 g
also to keep it working

Bandit357 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 1:41 pm I use it every day to get me through the morning usually take my 1st kratom dose at 12 p.m. on
weekends I use it through the day until nighttime. it's a tool to help keep kratom doses low 2-3 g
also to keep it working

Do you think the stem and vein gives you kratom effects or is it more of a placeholder/placebo effect?

I do not notice any effects just a placeholder/no side effects from not using K

there's huge range in stem and vein like there is in kratom. it all depends on how it is made & what from

creatus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:22 pm there's huge range in stem and vein like there is in kratom. it all depends on how it is made & what from

Care to elaborate?

boureka wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 8:41 pm

creatus wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 12:22 pm there's huge range in stem and vein like there is in kratom. it all depends on how it is made & what from

Care to elaborate?

Ever single kratom tree basically has a unique alkaloid profile depending on growing conditions and each batch of kratom leaf has unique effects depending on how it is dried or prepared; so all of that diversity goes to the stem and vein of the plant as well. Usually when vendors sell 'stem and vein' or 'bone' it is from all of their different strains combined; which can potentially be very potent, though stem and vein is significantly less active than the leaf it has a different alkaloid profile so you can get similar effects while tickling slightly different brain receptors. You can use stem and vein as a kind of mini or partial tolerance reset.

You know, I’ve never actually tried stem and vein but I’m super curious to try it directly before a tolerance break as part of a taper. Do people just take it straight or do you mix it with powder? And which vendors sell good stem and vein?

GreenAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:45 am You know, I’ve never actually tried stem and vein but I’m super curious to try it directly before a tolerance break as part of a taper. Do people just take it straight or do you mix it with powder? And which vendors sell good stem and vein?

Oties, rva. You can play around with it. Either half leaf, half s and v ..or just straight up s and v.

boureka wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 8:56 am

GreenAnimal wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 3:45 am You know, I’ve never actually tried stem and vein but I’m super curious to try it directly before a tolerance break as part of a taper. Do people just take it straight or do you mix it with powder? And which vendors sell good stem and vein?

Oties, rva. You can play around with it. Either half leaf, half s and v ..or just straight up s and v.

Thanks! Will probably go with Oties. Haven’t used RVA in years, I think I tried them in maybe 2018 or so. But they didn’t mesh with my chemistry I guess. So never ordered again. I should give them another try someday though.