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Or is this just the new normal? You'd think the panickers would get adequately stocked up at some point.

Since people who ordered directly from indo are having a much harder time doing so, +all the bad Kratom headlines if you google Kratom and look under news, I would guess this is the new norm. It sucks but i don’t see it changing anytime soon.

No. If you go to r/kratom, someone's there every week in full panic mode, & I see it on other forums, too.

THREE big changes this YEAR, in the world of Online Kratom:

Credit Cards are gone - Any vendor still taking Credit Cards, is doing so through a "High Risk" Offshore company.. probably the Russian Mob who is selling CC services to Online Gambling/ Tobacco/ Porno/ and other shady business types. Buy kratom with a CC in 2018 ? Good luck, your card # is now being sold to hackers

Fast Shipping going bye bye, too - Established vendors are done with nervous buyers, changing their mind, & throwing a tantrum because their package is 2 days late.. I see several vendors NOW state "Up Front" 5-7 Business Days to process your order!! File a chargeback? No, again credit cards are gone. All Sales Final.

Finally, Goodbye Reviews! - When good kratom gets Sold Out now in 3 days.. Who's got time to Sample, and post a Review? Not gonna happen. The days of having 20 vendors sitting on tons of stock for a month.. Panic buying is at least a weekly thing now. Which also means, Sample Packs are history

I hope the quality doesn't get worse with all this panic buying.

BallzDeep9 wrote:Credit Cards are gone - Any vendor still taking Credit Cards, is doing so through a "High Risk" Offshore company.. probably the Russian Mob who is selling CC services to Online Gambling/ Tobacco/ Porno/ and other shady business types. Buy kratom with a CC in 2018 ? Good luck, your card # is now being sold to hackers

Thankfully, I haven't heard of this happening yet. However, you could always use prepaid cards. You can get them at stores like walmart and target I believe.

you could always use prepaid cards. You can get them at stores like walmart and target I believe

Yeah, that's what I do every time. There's a $6-7 fee, but it's totally worth it

A very old vendor from 2016 sent me an email about a sale they were having, their kratom was $140 a kilo & they used overseas banks for their CC processing. The company is owned by 2 guys in Slovakia, so Ballz is spot on.

There are some vendors who accept payment in their own unique way without overseas banks getting involved and it's very convenient, too. I'm not going to refer to it because I want it to stay around. I really don't like the other payment methods.

Now I'm in a slight panic mode worrying about my debit card.
I always looks for vendors who take it because it seems like it's how I should be able to pay for everything but I guess once again the world doesn't work how I think it should.
It never occurred to me to use a prepaid one, but that's totally what I'm going to do from now on. Also I'm not going to shy away from the other method some of them use, which actually is pretty convenient. Just more hassle because I'm not used to it.

I made the mistake of browsing r/kratom. Man is it awful there. It's all fear mongering, panic, and people asking if x symptom is caused by kratom. Oh I only eat once a day and I feel dizzy sometimes, is it kratom's fault? I have a sinus infection, could it be the kratom? It's embarrassing that a lot of people's first encounter with the kratom community is there.

BallzDeep9 wrote:THREE big changes this YEAR, in the world of Online Kratom:

Credit Cards are gone - Any vendor still taking Credit Cards, is doing so through a "High Risk" Offshore company.. probably the Russian Mob who is selling CC services to Online Gambling/ Tobacco/ Porno/ and other shady business types. Buy kratom with a CC in 2018 ? Good luck, your card # is now being sold to hackers

Fast Shipping going bye bye, too - Established vendors are done with nervous buyers, changing their mind, & throwing a tantrum because their package is 2 days late.. I see several vendors NOW state "Up Front" 5-7 Business Days to process your order!! File a chargeback? No, again credit cards are gone. All Sales Final.

Finally, Goodbye Reviews! - When good kratom gets Sold Out now in 3 days.. Who's got time to Sample, and post a Review? Not gonna happen. The days of having 20 vendors sitting on tons of stock for a month.. Panic buying is at least a weekly thing now. Which also means, Sample Packs are history

Although I respect your view (and all you do for the site) not sure I agree this is the new norm (at least not yet). I have intentionally stopped buying at this time as there definitely seems to be buying panic, degradation in quality, and a rise in prices, luckily I have enough Kratom to ride out this turbulence and uncertainty which I believe will blow over eventually.

I've studied markets (in the economical sense) and they always seem to find the right balance between supply and demand. This is true for stock market, oil markets (remember the $5 / gallon panic?), and the Kratom market is really no different. Now if there is a regulation change, for example, banning Kratom then that's entirely different but assuming today's environment I would not say this will continue for extended period of time.

-DD

We have in kratom a basic marijuana situation. Draconian for corporate profits force by a heavily corrupt government. Other places its banned because sadistic is normal or ridiculous is, like nanny gov countries that make more of a show than anything.

Here we went past that years ago. The "because I said!" generation is almost gone and thier replacements aren't them. All the tactics have been worn out to embarassment and aren't just "righteous gospel" because they are petty and mean.
This will be fought and won because its dumb and meritless and can be splayed all over court that won't just be for a show. When i was a kid, they made up what they wanted and congratulated thier selves on getting away with it. Its not total ku-klux-court here anymore where the oldest whites simply rule like mean petty tyrants and make a show for court thats already been pre-decided. This will be fought and won, they know this, so they are doing illegal stuff like messing with peoples legal mail and trying to rake "bikuk" et all for everything they can and throw as big of a tantrum while grabbing cash that they can for thier real employers, the pharmaceutical industry.