How do YOU deal with tolerance buildup ?

[Mythra Gina]

Prior to strarting with Kratom some three months ago, i was opiate-naive person, with almost no experience. After realizing tolerance buildup is serious topic,
i tried some generally suggested methods for lowering tolerance. I regularly take day-off twice a week, but still, afer day off, first dose is fine, but each day after it it seems progressively weaker with same dosage. I don´t take huge doses either, 4g max twice a day.
First i tried ginger, due to its availability. Grated ginger in tea, chewing it raw, commercial ginger extract drink. Results: none.
Then i bought Agmatine sulphate. I thought i felt my dose stronger first time i tried it, but consecutive agmatine doses never really did anything. I still take it as in theory it should work, but now i am looking to other alternatives.
Few people on certain forums raved about DXM (dextromethorphan) for lowering opioid receptors tolerance, and again, there is some theoretical work to support this. So i´m willing to try it, but first i would like to hear some experiences, as i did DXM once recreationally and found i hate it. Even if its mostly side effects of consuming large dose of cough syrup itself i hated, i would like to hear some confirmartion from people it works for, before i go for downing that nasty stuff.
Feel free to add any other NMDA antagonists or whatever you have find helps here.
Thanks.

[krattie]

I use magnesium citrate, turmeric and black pepper. I take 400 mg of magnesium a day and if I want a little boost/potentiation I'll take some turmeric and black pepper before I take my kratom.

The magnesium really helps with tolerance and the turmeric and black pepper gives the kratom effects a little boost.

I haven't upped my dose in months since I started on the magnesium citrate. Before that, I was gradually taking more and more kratom to get the desired effects.

As far as the DXM goes - it potentiates kratom but if you go overboard it'll give you heavier dissociative effects that are probably unwanted. Usually 30 - 60 mg is effective.

[beathappening]

I take magnesium daily as well, but for a different reason...the constipation that comes with daily kratom use. Hey, it works. Not sure about it's effect on tolerance. I take turmeric on occasion too but without black pepper, and apparently you need to if you want it to work.

Overall I'm not a big fan of potentiators, they have never worked outside of what could be considered the placebo effect, even during my days of daily opioid use. And the act of taking them raises your expectations that the kratom will work better, which can lead to disappointment and nonchill vibes. For me anyway.

When my tolerance goes up, as it often does, I spend a few days taking smaller amounts, making sure I don't redose, and being particular about waiting at least 6 hours in between dosing. I make a little chart and decide how much I want to take in a given day and mark when I dose, it's helpful.

[rhythmsaint]

I rotate between 4-5 strains at all times and try to buy high quality kratom. My tolerance stays the same this way. That seems to be enough for me. Good luck!

[l5s1bgon]

Biggest advice is decide on a daily total that works for you and never exceed it. The worst thing for tolerance is climbing the dosage ladder. Take as little as possible to get desired effects, rotate vendors/colors/strains (emphasis on vendors), and take at least an 18 hour break every day (lots of people are not going to like the last one, lol).

For example, I take 3-6g total per day, split into 2-3 doses between 5 PM and 9 PM. So if my last dose of the day is at 9 PM, I wait until 5 PM the next day to dose again. This gives your body a good 20 hours to reset and clear out. When I first started out I tried dosing throughout the day starting mid-morning, and pretty quickly I started getting lower returns and more negatives, interdose wd, etc. I realize plenty of people dose all day long but for me it wasn't worth it. I have been getting great effects with my current routine for over 1.5 yrs. I take a few days off every 6-8 weeks, mostly if pain subsides enough, or if I'm traveling (I don't mind traveling with it, it's just a good excuse for a break), or I feel the need for a significant T reset. If doses start to feel a little weaker than usual I take a break or spend a few days at the low end of my range and it fixes it every time.

[herbalhippie]

I take magnesium citrate everyday, rotate through a lot of strains and my tolerance doesn't ever really seem to go up. I get good effects from around .75-.9 or so and if my dose ever creeps up those good effects seem to go away and then come back as soon as I drop my dose back down.

[MetalMamaRocks]

When my tolerance goes up I never increase dosage, I usually cut them in half for a few days. Then when I add more I can feel it again. I also take 400 mg of a magnesium compound daily.

[JStargzr]

I rotate strains and don’t increase my dosage even if it seems to stop working for a bit.. Sometimes it’s hit or miss, but less is more as they say . At least for me that works..

[e_poison]

I take 24-48 hour tolerance breaks from time to time. Other than that, not much. Just a good old fashioned break lol.

[Mythra Gina]

Hey guys, thanks for your reports. To be honest, nothing new surfaced, all of this was discussed on reddit already. However, i appreciate your input, as its
showing me i got this right.
Just like you, i take 24-48 hours off here and there, rotate strains (don´t believe this helps, but whites and greens seem well suited for day and reds for night.
Also i never increase my dose, trying to avoid tolerance issues. I didn´t tried magnesium yet, no constipation problem here
I have been lucky to be the way i am, i allways do extensive research well before i delve into any substance so i have all these rules you guys mentioned in place from the start. But still i notice that the same dose that gave me wobbles few times when i started, doesn´t make me wobble anymore. Not that i miss it, LOL, but it was nice manifestation of Kratoms power.

As far as the DXM goes - it potentiates kratom but if you go overboard it'll give you heavier dissociative effects that are probably unwanted. Usually 30 - 60 mg is effective.

To be honest, i am not looking for potentiation. There is no problem with Kratom itself, it doesn´t need to be potentiated. The issue is with our brains and how they react to opiates (or anything else, for that matter). Tolerance is just a way brain uses to keep homeostasis.
Thanks for quote on DXM dosage, i have seen it recommended all the way from terapeutic dose, through three times that dose, up to "less than dissociative dose" which seems off the charts. I surely won´t overdo it, not a big fan.

Thanks for everyones input,
Cheers

[BallzDeep9]

I went over a year, daily use, with only a few short breaks... Over the year raised my standard dose by about 1 gram. I'm a big guy @ 250 lbs so the 4-6 gram range works depending on strain. That's the key IMO rotating strains and vendors. I've ordered from 20+ diff vendors, at least 4 strains each so, keeping it always new and fresh, 100+ variety, endless combo's to blend

I'm a big fan of ShadeTree's Tolerance Guide and pretty much follow his routine. Mainly sticking to 1-2 major doses per day, with a good 16 hour break every night. I take a BIG dose every day and sometimes 1 more in evening.

Seems like its the daily total that causes tolerance problems and I'm rarely going over 10 grams per day. Always read about ppl on r/kratom saying, they "only do" 6 grams but, turns out they're doing that every 4 hours. Taking > 1 ounce per day, is abusing the plant IMO, but who's to judge I'm not taking it for severe pain management or opiate detox either.

I'll add one more thing - I have refined and improved my Freezing Extraction method, to the point where I'm separating alkaloids and tossing out the sludge - So I'd estimate my 6 gram dose, by weight I'm tossing at least 1 gram of black sludge. That contains very little "good stuff", it's mostly just... dirt. I figured out early on, there's no way I was gonna T+W and so, learned how to make a pretty good smoothie... And now I prep my dose over a 24-hour period of freezing, thawing, filtering, skimming off the alkaloids. Even double freezing at times! I probably ought to make a video on the process lol

[MetalMamaRocks]

I went over a year, daily use, with only a few short breaks... Over the year raised my standard dose by about 1 gram. I'm a big guy @ 250 lbs so the 4-6 gram range works depending on strain. That's the key IMO rotating strains and vendors. I've ordered from 20+ diff vendors, at least 4 strains each so, keeping it always new and fresh, 100+ variety, endless combo's to blend

I'm a big fan of ShadeTree's Tolerance Guide and pretty much follow his routine. Mainly sticking to 1-2 major doses per day, with a good 16 hour break every night. I take a BIG dose every day and sometimes 1 more in evening.

Seems like its the daily total that causes tolerance problems and I'm rarely going over 10 grams per day. Always read about ppl on r/kratom saying, they "only do" 6 grams but, turns out they're doing that every 4 hours. Taking > 1 ounce per day, is abusing the plant IMO, but who's to judge I'm not taking it for severe pain management or opiate detox either.

I'll add one more thing - I have refined and improved my Freezing Extraction method, to the point where I'm separating alkaloids and tossing out the sludge - So I'd estimate my 6 gram dose, by weight I'm tossing at least 1 gram of black sludge. That contains very little "good stuff", it's mostly just... dirt. I figured out early on, there's no way I was gonna T+W and so, learned how to make a pretty good smoothie... And now I prep my dose over a 24-hour period of freezing, thawing, filtering, skimming off the alkaloids. Even double freezing at times! I probably ought to make a video on the process lol

I also take a long break overnight, about 12 hours, and I think it makes a difference with tolerance.

I haven't seen much from ShadeTree lately. Is he still around?

[Mythra Gina]

I'm a big fan of ShadeTree's Tolerance Guide and pretty much follow his routine.

Hey BallzDeep, thanks for posting this link, it sure went under my radar. I pretty much do what he suggests, but still pretty good article.
Cheers

[l5s1bgon]

I have refined and improved my Freezing Extraction method, to the point where I'm separating alkaloids and tossing out the sludge - So I'd estimate my 6 gram dose, by weight I'm tossing at least 1 gram of black sludge. That contains very little "good stuff", it's mostly just... dirt. I figured out early on, there's no way I was gonna T+W and so, learned how to make a pretty good smoothie... And now I prep my dose over a 24-hour period of freezing, thawing, filtering, skimming off the alkaloids. Even double freezing at times! I probably ought to make a video on the process lol

Hey Ballz I'd like to know your freezing extraction method.

[deuceawesome]

I also take a long break overnight, about 12 hours, and I think it makes a difference with tolerance.

I haven't seen much from ShadeTree lately. Is he still around?

Ive found this as well. My tolerance was starting to climb; initially I admit I was "chasing it" and was getting up around 20 grams per day.

I made myself some new rules as I didn't want to take this much and it seems to be helping. I don't take it past 4pm every day. I basically just like it for work anyways, that gives me a nice break until 6 am when I wake up and have a couple teaspoons. I seem to have hit a nice level at the moment, 8-12 grams per day seems to be just right.

[Mitragenius]

Keep it under 12g for the day. No kratom for like 14-16 hours from about 4pm till 7am. Keeping this routine seems to ensure I don’t encounter any negative side effects while getting the most out each dose.

[nltsaved]

Why does taking magnesium help?

[beathappening]

Why does taking magnesium help?

It helps with tolerance and the occasional constipation that some users experience. I don't know the exact mechanism of action though.

[BlendsAreMyFriends]

I never do the same strain two days in a row.