Need help in getting person switched over to Kratom from hard stuff

[DGAF661]

Hello everyone,
Like the title says I need help getting someone switched over to Kratom from Fent. I hope this is the right place to post this and if it isn’t I sincerely apologize. It’s for harm reduction purposes so I’m hoping it’s ok. I need help getting a loved one switched to kratom from Fent and wondering what’s the best batches out rn and would they need an extract on top of it to get rid of all the withdrawals? If there is anyone with any experience with going to Kratom from Fent with getting rid of the majority of withdrawal what did you do?

[Babel-17]

Do they have a decent level of desire to get off of Fent?

If so, and money isn't super tight, I might recommend smoothies to get them used to the powder. If they are committed and willing to accept it not being totally palatable, then just take around eight grams and mix it into a quart or more of OJ in a blender. The sweeter the better for the OJ, and if you can get a blend with bananas, all the better as well.

Ask them what kind of smoothie they like. If it's ice cream based, use ice cream. Once the person understands that it's the Kratom that's easing their discomfort they should become much more accepting of any grittiness, or the taste being less than perfect.

If money is totally no object, hard to imagine, but if it is, start intermittently using one of those tasty but highly nutritious smoothie mixes that have vitamins, minerals, herbs, probiotics, and everything else. They come in all kinds of flavors, and some even have protein, or protein and complex carbs.

Oh, Pineapple juice and Kratom is another good combo for the blender!

If this works for them they should quickly accept using less juice, though there's nothing wrong with continuing with it unless calories and/or cost is an issue.

[DGAF661]

Thank you so much for the suggestion. Yes they definitely have the desire to quit. You said 8 grams as a starting dose. Is there any vendors right now that you can suggest that has some really potent strains with their most current batch? Will the powder suffice as being strong enough to get rid of fent withdrawals or should they get an extract etc to add to the powder? Do you have any experience dealing with this kind of transition so I can give some info to them?

[Kelleytoons]

The first question the last poster asked is the best.

If they don't have a STRONG desire to get off of fent then I wouldn't bother even trying. Kratom is a FAR different experience, and while many on opioids can switch (like I did) it's not going to get you "high" or do anything other than, at best, make you feel a bit euphoric and clear headed. From what I understand about fent (and I don't know much but if people are taking such a dangerous drug there must be a HUGE upside) you aren't going to convince anyone that kratom is even close.

To that end I *might* recommend 7OZ but others here will point out (and should) that it can be abused as well. But it's far more likely to be a better substitute in that the effects can be VERY powerful. The problem (as with nearly everything that produces such effects) is that addictive personalities can chase after it and while it is MUCH less harmful than any of those very bad illegal drugs it can be abused. I take half a pill nearly daily but I could see how someone might increase their dose so I would say proceed with caution.

Good luck - folks with addictive personalities need professional help, so if this person really does want to get off fent I would suggest you pursue that as well.

[e_poison]

Hey OP, welcome to the board. Some excellent advice in this thread. They want to get clean plus you're going the extra mile for them, it certainly sounds like they're well on their way to kicking the drug. Sounds like you care about this person a lot, so I wish you luck and this board will always be here if you have any questions.

Will the powder suffice as being strong enough to get rid of fent withdrawals or should they get an extract etc to add to the powder?

Definitely don't mess with extract right off the bat. Give the plain powder a chance. You don't want to mess up their tolerance immediately. Extract is for more experienced kratom users IMO.

[Pixiedust]

Hi! I switched to kratom from h/fent/subs years ago. It is a completely different ballgame, but it's totally doable. I would recommend getting some red and green strains as well as some blends. I used mainly red strains every few hours. By day 4ish, I added some green which helped with energy. If your friend can't stomach powder yet, I'd suggest getting capsules. Orange juice or sunny d will help mask the taste. Your friend will likely be dosing every few hours. That's what I did when I was going through it. I made a journal and wrote down the strain, how much I took, the time and the feelings I was getting. It helped.

Herba reLeaf has really good caps. New Hope botanicals was one of the vendors I used during detox. Throughout the years, herba reLeaf, New Hope botanicals, Wildcraft Herb Company and your leaf your life is usually what I stick with.

[DGAF661]

Thank you everyone for all of your input, suggestions and advice. It means the world to me that there is a place where people show they care about the next person! The person is going to start the transition by Monday is there any reds anybody can suggest (I know it’s subjective as everyone reacts differently) but as for as the consensus on reds what would any of you suggest a specific red with the current batches at any of the popular vendors considering the closest of being the most relaxing with a good mood boost since I’ll need something more sedating in the beginning before throwing in a green. So far I ordered from smiley his red glow and his green monster for later in the week like Pixiedust suggested that maybe by the 4th day or so.

[Babel-17]

Sorry for replying so late! Imo just look for a good deal from any popular and highly regarded vendor discussed on this forum. I've dealt with several and they all shipped quickly.

[Pixiedust]

Thank you everyone for all of your input, suggestions and advice. It means the world to me that there is a place where people show they care about the next person! The person is going to start the transition by Monday is there any reds anybody can suggest (I know it’s subjective as everyone reacts differently) but as for as the consensus on reds what would any of you suggest a specific red with the current batches at any of the popular vendors considering the closest of being the most relaxing with a good mood boost since I’ll need something more sedating in the beginning before throwing in a green. So far I ordered from smiley his red glow and his green monster for later in the week like Pixiedust suggested that maybe by the 4th day or so.

I used new hope botanicals when I was detoxing but herba reLeaf caps are really good too, especially if your friend can't stomach the powder.

[StringThing]

Hello everyone,
Like the title says I need help getting someone switched over to Kratom from Fent. I hope this is the right place to post this and if it isn’t I sincerely apologize. It’s for harm reduction purposes so I’m hoping it’s ok. I need help getting a loved one switched to kratom from Fent and wondering what’s the best batches out rn and would they need an extract on top of it to get rid of all the withdrawals? If there is anyone with any experience with going to Kratom from Fent with getting rid of the majority of withdrawal what did you do?

I got clean from opiates in 2017 using kratom. It may have just saved my life.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting 'the best'. Just get whatever they will take.

There is no way to get rid of the majority of the withdrawal and they will be hurting bad. All kratom will do is alleviate some symptoms. But its still a godsend.

Drinking a bit of vodka helped me a lot when I was going through withdrawals.

I've also used agmatine to some effect.

It's going to hurt for them to move, like physical pain. So it would be best if you could help them with chores possibly? Cooking, cleaning, etc. I know I wish I had someone to help me with that stuff... cooking and doing dishes was excruciating.

I wish you and your loved one the best of luck.

[Leroux]

In 2014 I was involved in a serious accident at the warehouse I was employed.
I was lucky in that I had great bosses who made sure disability ins covered everything, I wanted for nothing.
Between 2014 and 2020 I had a total of 5 surgeries on my knee, from Nov 2014 thru june 2021 I was receiving over 180 oxy 10 mg per month (by mail).
My orthopedist decided to retire in July 2021, so he had to send me too a pain "managment" doc if I was to keep recieving my meds. I thought okay, no big deal, and went to my 1st appt in May 2021. Oh man, I was in for a shock! Most of the hour and half appt was spent hearing how here are our rules, do you do this, do you do that/ blah blaaaaaah blah, do you drink any alcohol, smoke pot, does anyone in your home smoke weed (I asked what if someone does, well secondhand smoke, etc. So I said, oh, okay if my ol man smokes weed I should divorce him? I got no response)....then I had to read and sign more documents than I signed when i got a mortgage! They told me I wouldhave to submit to pee tests at least 2-3 x's a month, I believe they were 26 panel drug tests. My life was about to be lived accoirding to their rules! I DO NOT do well with rules and regulations, I had to really reign myself in as I read all their b.s. But punching this snooty ahole of a dr in the face, and going to jail was not an option.
All the years I had been with my ortho doc, NOTHING ever came up in a pee test, I never "lost" my prescription, or ran out before the next was due, I even surpassed my 30 days, with some months not calling in for new script half way thru the next month.
I felt like a freaking criminal. I even told them so, I said,I am free, over 21(60 yrs old), with NO record whatsover. They told me doesnt matter, do all these things or no script.
I left there with my monthly script of 180 , 10 mg oxys, went home and got on the computer to see what I had to do to get off this pain killer. 2 days later I found an article about kratom.
I already started to back off on the pain pills, but I was so scared. I was terrified about withdrawal and all the stuff you hear that comes with it. So I bought a abunch of red bali caps on line, and red maeng da. I had zero faith this would work, but I seem to do better under extreme pressure, thats why I cut myself off like I did.
Then I called the pain managment doc and told them to save their bullshit for someone else, that I am done (plus a few other explicit statements). After 71/2 years of taking 10mg of oxy ever 4-6 hours I had 160 left. Kratom arrived and I backed off my oxy dosage even more, waiting for all this bad shit to start happening to me.
By June 1st - I was done wth opiates!! And I havent looked back.
This stuff is amazing, it is life saving. I have turned quite a few people on to it and all is good.
PS - a little bit of Jack, and\or some tequila took any edges off.
DO NOT GIVE UP, OR GIVE IN TO HOW THEY WANT YOU TO DO THINGS!
Sorry for the long post, I hope it can help someone.