Liza's Botanicals

Post by **Maxxx** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:52 pm

Maxxx wrote:
Good$tuff wrote:Anyone else on here typically use BB as their #1? How does Liza’s compare? Bb has had inventory issues lately, so I’ve tried a few others (with good reviews) and I’m yet to find anything that compares to BB. I usually get their PMD (Lot 14 is my fave, but lot 12 is great too) or wild white. I’m tired of wasting money on all these “good” vendors, just to be let down. I can’t afford to keep swinging and missing. I have bills to pay and a crapload of subpar (to me) Kratom just sitting around doing nothing and BB is still out of stock.
I have a couple kilos from BB sitting unopened that I ordered back in September. I thought they were pretty good at the time, but I didn't love their product as much as some people here. Then, when I tried Johnsons, BB went into storage. I'm looking to get rid of it, but I have no idea how to resell my stock, so it'll probably stay in my doomsday stash unless I find someone who wants them (cheap). I think there are several vendors with better product than BB, but since everyone's chemistry is different, my opinion might not work for you. You can get samples from Liza for $5, so it might be worth a small buy.

Post by **lexus95** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:01 pm

on the website it says you'll be contacted with payment instructions, what exactly does this mean? Can I pay later with paypal? How did you guys pay? Just curious

Post by **Uniiiversoul** » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:18 pm

Well it's Christmas, but you should expect an email about payment, she will email you as long as you put the right email address for your order.

Post by **herbalhippie** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:05 am

lexus95 wrote:on the website it says you'll be contacted with payment instructions, what exactly does this mean? Can I pay later with paypal? How did you guys pay? Just curious

Payment discussion is not allowed, it's for the safety of the vendors. Some vendors have lost their payment processors after being reported.

Post by **jitterbug** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:12 am

I am a BB regular who tried Lisa's when BB was OOS and was blown away! Ordered a 2nd time & now trying to afford another order soon as I can get to the bank! I got Red Headed Step Child & Red Asia. After reading how good the G Banjo & G Nugroz is I have to try those, as well as R Nugroz. Kid in a candy store here

Post by **Good$tuff** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:37 pm

Thanks for letting me know your opinions everyone. I’ll definitely have to give Liza’s a shot. Not all strains from BB have been #1 for me. I’ve definitely had misses, but I’m particular on their premium MD. I’ve ordered PMD in particular from several vendors & have been let down. What I love about BBs is that it’s not a super fast strain like RVAs for example. It’s more euphoric and well rounded vs others that I’ve tried that are usually too fast. Weird, because whites are typically my favorite, but so fast is good, but too fast = anxiety. Anyone had Liza’s green PMD? Is it comparable? Maybe even the same?

Post by **FireK** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 7:47 pm

Ive had pmd from liza, gold leaf, BB and smiley. Lizas PMD 3 was my favorite!

Post by **Good$tuff** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:05 pm

Maxxx wrote:
Maxxx wrote:
Good$tuff wrote:Anyone else on here typically use BB as their #1? How does Liza’s compare? Bb has had inventory issues lately, so I’ve tried a few others (with good reviews) and I’m yet to find anything that compares to BB. I usually get their PMD (Lot 14 is my fave, but lot 12 is great too) or wild white. I’m tired of wasting money on all these “good” vendors, just to be let down. I can’t afford to keep swinging and missing. I have bills to pay and a crapload of subpar (to me) Kratom just sitting around doing nothing and BB is still out of stock.
I have a couple kilos from BB sitting unopened that I ordered back in September. I thought they were pretty good at the time, but I didn't love their product as much as some people here. Then, when I tried Johnsons, BB went into storage. I'm looking to get rid of it, but I have no idea how to resell my stock, so it'll probably stay in my doomsday stash unless I find someone who wants them (cheap). I think there are several vendors with better product than BB, but since everyone's chemistry is different, my opinion might not work for you. You can get samples from Liza for $5, so it might be worth a small buy.

Which strains do you have?

Post by **Maxxx** » Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:26 pm

[/quote] Which strains do you have?[/quote]

I have a little over 2k unopened in my doomsday stash. I like BB, but I've just found others that seem work better for me. Here's what I have:

Red Jongkong - 250g
Verde - 250g, and 100g
Red Banjar - 250g, and 100g
Gold Bali - 2x 100g
Chocolate Jong Kong - 2x 100g
Roco Loco - 100g
White Bent - 2x 100g
Super Green - 2x 100g
Red Elephant - 2x 100g
Red Bent - 100g

Post by **Good$tuff** » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:31 pm

Maxxx wrote:
If I find someone who wants them (cheap)

What would you consider cheap? For all of it? Not really interested in the verde though, unless it’s an all or nothing kinda thing.

Post by **Maxxx** » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:45 pm

Good$tuff wrote:
Maxxx wrote:
If I find someone who wants them (cheap)
What would you consider cheap? For all of it? Not really interested in the verde though, unless it’s an all or nothing kinda thing.

I'll message you.

Post by **Payshince** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:34 pm

One of my new favorite White Veins is
Liza’s ( White Banjo )

If you want to sit down and read a book and or have ADD(HD) I’d suggest this strain to burn.

I’m very happy to have gotten the opportunity to experience this one. Thank you all for recommending this one and now next time I will go with -
White Indo
&
Green Pucuk

Oh, and White Slippery Rock!

Post by **brave777** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:33 pm

i did try lizas white banja twice, didnt feel much. I will give it another try and increase my dose, maybe i am doing very little.

Post by **Payshince** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:36 pm

I felt the same way at first. ^( brave777 ),
I was really discouraged as I usually am when I try a new strain and don’t feel it.

My third go I upped the dose a little,
(Need a T-break soon whether I like it or not) lol.
And boom! A beautiful burn to say the least.

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:24 pm

White banjo affected me the same way 1st time,,focused, clean energy, long legs,,and 3rd time, was just ok,,so I am thinking about increasing dose, usually 1 tsp., is normal dosage, and trying it again, because when it hits, you definitely feel it,and funny thing is your not feeling any pain!

Post by **PsilocybeFanaticis** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:17 am

Haven't been in here for a while. I wanted to hope in here and say something about Liza's best botanicals.

This vendor is my favorite and recently the past 6 months I've been getting my kratom from here alone.

Every strain I got has been decent to phenomenal leaf. Here are my favorites from her:

Green Zombie
Red Monster
Yellow Dragon
Red headed step child
Relaxer elixir
Green/Red Big Bang
Gold Tulip
Red Batak

I normally mix 2 teaspoons of Green Zombie with 2 teaspoons Red Monster and I'm out of pain. I should probably note that I have taken kratom for 10 years on and off together with other opioids and heavily for 3 years alone. My tolerance for opioids in general is very messed up. I take kratom every 3 hours and can't take breaks because of my unique circumstances. I rely upon kratom for pain and many other conditions otherwise I can't function. With that said many vendors don't cut it for me and Liza's is the strongest I've had in a long time.

I'll try to pop in here and post some reviews soon. I have 3 kilos on the way which is almost what I take per month. I got 3 split kilos 2 are 4way and 1 is 2way.

Post by **PsilocybeFanaticis** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:24 am

Payshince wrote:One of my new favorite White Veins is
Liza’s ( White Banjo )

If you want to sit down and read a book and or have ADD(HD) I’d suggest this strain to burn.

I’m very happy to have gotten the opportunity to experience this one. Thank you all for recommending this one and now next time I will go with -
White Indo
&
Green Pucuk
Oh, and White Slippery Rock!

I haven't had it yet. Does it help with memory or attention? Is it overstimulating?
Would you describe it as energetic, analgesic, stimulating, euphoric, anxiolytic or relaxing?

Post by **trigger** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 2:43 am

PsilocybeFanaticis wrote:Haven't been in here for a while. I wanted to hope in here and say something about Liza's best botanicals.

This vendor is my favorite and recently the past 6 months I've been getting my kratom from here alone.

Every strain I got has been decent to phenomenal leaf. Here are my favorites from her:

Green Zombie
Red Monster
Yellow Dragon
Red headed step child
Relaxer elixir
Green/Red Big Bang
Gold Tulip
Red Batak

I normally mix 2 teaspoons of Green Zombie with 2 teaspoons Red Monster and I'm out of pain. I should probably note that I have taken kratom for 10 years on and off together with other opioids and heavily for 3 years alone. My tolerance for opioids in general is very messed up. I take kratom every 3 hours and can't take breaks because of my unique circumstances. I rely upon kratom for pain and many other conditions otherwise I can't function. With that said many vendors don't cut it for me and Liza's is the strongest I've had in a long time.

I'll try to pop in here and post some reviews soon. I have 3 kilos on the way which is almost what I take per month. I got 3 split kilos 2 are 4way and 1 is 2way.

When did you get these strains? Recently? I just placed an order and didn't pick up a bunch of these. I would be interested in seeing your ratings of these individually.

Post by **beathappening** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:25 pm

Holy shit, 3 kilos per month, psilo?

If I even get near one kilo in a month my body mutinies and starts spewing. Amazing what our bodies can adapt to. If you're taking that much and Liza's still works for you, must be some good leaf

Post by **Payshince** » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:45 pm

PsilocybeFanaticis wrote:
Payshince wrote:One of my new favorite White Veins is
Liza’s ( White Banjo )

If you want to sit down and read a book and or have ADD(HD) I’d suggest this strain to burn.

I’m very happy to have gotten the opportunity to experience this one. Thank you all for recommending this one and now next time I will go with -
White Indo
&
Green Pucuk
Oh, and White Slippery Rock!
I haven't had it yet. Does it help with memory or attention? Is it overstimulating?
Would you describe it as energetic, analgesic, stimulating, euphoric, anxiolytic or relaxing?

Great question!

I forgot I posted this aka about how meaningful the White Banjo was and still is for me!

White Banjo (for me at least) is a GREAT White Vein.
Sharp and it works!*** Not too Fast but not at all Slow either.
Not overstimulating at all, it is a smooth white vein with clarity and just one of those Whites that deliver a Strong burn but not too strong***
and am able to get things done without relaxing too much, and on the other side of the spectrum, not moving too much either.

To think of it now, I really appreciate this strain a lot because it helps me FOCUS. I feel good whilst burning !t but also it just helps with my negative mood and ADHD.

It is one of my top 5 White Veins.
I like it a lot. It helps me a lot and is consistent.

I have tried Liza's White Banjo and I have tried SmileyTimes White Banjo
both are great!

Plus! I love BANJO aka BANJAR Strains, period.

Post by **MethMeowth** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:57 pm

Can't get any relief from Liza's. I gave up. Just not my speed i guess. She's great service and product, just don't work for me.

Post by **DNA011001** » Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:40 pm

Payshince wrote: White Banjo (for me at least) is a GREAT White Vein.
Sharp and it works!*** Not too Fast but not at all Slow either.
Not overstimulating at all, it is a smooth white vein with clarity and just one of those Whites that deliver a Strong burn but not too strong***
and am able to get things done without relaxing too much, and on the other side of the spectrum, not moving too much either.

To think of it now, I really appreciate this strain a lot because it helps me FOCUS. I feel good whilst burning !t but also it just helps with my negative mood and ADHD.

It is one of my top 5 White Veins.
I like it a lot. It helps me a lot and is consistent.

I have tried Liza's White Banjo and I have tried SmileyTimes White Banjo
both are great!

Plus! I love BANJO aka BANJAR Strains, period.

I feel the same way!! Liza’s was actually the first banjo I tried and it has helped me so much! I have ADHD and other issues so finding whites like this have been such a relief. Super fast whites stress me out often and greens are very hit or miss for me. Smooth energetic whites were a real eye opener.

Post by **Oletimer** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:40 pm

I love all the banjo strains, no matter what color,they all have a great mood lift quality to them,,,,it's weird how much product differs from vendor to vendor, ,lizas red bali is another favorite, ,,the red banjo has a great mood lift too,,,just quality all around,,

Post by **GrannyJ62** » Tue May 07, 2019 12:30 am

Just wanted to say lizas green and red stem and vein are perfect for a tbreak.

Post by **Payshince** » Tue May 07, 2019 12:40 am

Got two separate orders from Liza in one week

I missed ordering from her
To Say The Least!!

My 2nd order comes this Wednesday
I couldn’t be more pleased with my first order and her customer service.
God Bless this woman and her family who also help out to get these orders out!

Shes def a top vendor of mine.

Im very excited for my 2nd order

Thank you for all that you Do
Liza

Post by **GrannyJ62** » Wed May 08, 2019 10:23 pm

After reading post above I got me some of her white banjo and its everything you said and more this could easily be may top go to for whites you lnow when sometimes everything just seems to make sense it took any confusion right out of my day.But it didn't make me anxious like some whites can its just slow even getting it done strain.Of course I did just come of of a t break but im definitely going to be getting more of this

Post by **trigger** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:33 am

Liza is very nice, and the shopping experience was good, and she consulted with me as well and even asked her community for their input to help with my specific needs. So A+++ on being a good vendor. But I’ve tried a handful of her highest recommended and nothing.

Tonight I had Red Nugroz and felt absolutely zero. Not even a mild mood lift. In fact I kinda felt depression creep back in. I hate to say this because she was so nice, but I gotta be honest. It’s bizarre too because I have consistent results with KOG and she supposedly shares a supplier. It’s definitely kratom in these bags. I seem to be the only one, so maybe it’s me. Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.

Post by **beathappening** » Thu May 09, 2019 6:43 am

trigger wrote:Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.

Aw don't say that. You're in good company. What's your tolerance like?

Post by **trigger** » Thu May 09, 2019 2:08 pm

beathappening wrote:
trigger wrote:Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.
Aw don't say that. You're in good company. What's your tolerance like?

My tolerance has been okay. I’ve been having pretty great burns with other vendors.

Edit - for example, I took KOG Supergreen Nugroz from last year about an hour ago, and it’s hitting me quite hard at the moment.

RHSC did nothing for me at all, and that’s supposed to be quite good. Tell me what her most potent Red is, and I’ll have it tonight. Assuming I bought some.

Post by **beathappening** » Thu May 09, 2019 4:14 pm

I haven't tried Liza's yet, but she's on the list. $100 including shipping is just more than I usually want to spend on a kilo. Also she has so many strains it's dizzying. Not that that's a terrible thing. I'm thinking about doing a 8oz sampler pack or two to get acquainted.

Post by **jabro70** » Thu May 09, 2019 5:46 pm

trigger wrote:Liza is very nice, and the shopping experience was good, and she consulted with me as well and even asked her community for their input to help with my specific needs. So A+++ on being a good vendor. But I’ve tried a handful of her highest recommended and nothing.

Tonight I had Red Nugroz and felt absolutely zero. Not even a mild mood lift. In fact I kinda felt depression creep back in. I hate to say this because she was so nice, but I gotta be honest. It’s bizarre too because I have consistent results with KOG and she supposedly shares a supplier. It’s definitely kratom in these bags. I seem to be the only one, so maybe it’s me. Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.

Her current Red Hulu is really good. I like it better than the Jambu. Some other favorite reds from her are probably the Red Banjo (fall batch), Red Zombie, Red Batak, Red MD and Red Monster. The Monster doesn’t really have any euphoria to it but I don’t think I have a better pain-relieving red.

Post by **trigger** » Thu May 09, 2019 6:50 pm

jabro70 wrote:
trigger wrote:Liza is very nice, and the shopping experience was good, and she consulted with me as well and even asked her community for their input to help with my specific needs. So A+++ on being a good vendor. But I’ve tried a handful of her highest recommended and nothing.

Tonight I had Red Nugroz and felt absolutely zero. Not even a mild mood lift. In fact I kinda felt depression creep back in. I hate to say this because she was so nice, but I gotta be honest. It’s bizarre too because I have consistent results with KOG and she supposedly shares a supplier. It’s definitely kratom in these bags. I seem to be the only one, so maybe it’s me. Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.
Her current Red Hulu is really good. I like it better than the Jambu. Some other favorite reds from her are probably the Red Banjo (fall batch), Red Zombie, Red Batak, Red MD and Red Monster. The Monster doesn’t really have any euphoria to it but I don’t think I have a better pain-relieving red.

the only ones of those I have are Monster and Zombie. Monster didn’t do anything - didn’t even notice pain relief (which is what I take it for). I’ll try Zombie. Got it as a sample. I have red Thai, Bali, Bent, Dayak, and Nugroz. Also step child. Bali and Dayak were zeros as well I think. Might have only used Bali as a blend tho. I’ll report back on Zombie. I have a few greens as well, but at this point, I may just toss the whole order in a closet next to my bunk Canopy stash. :/

Post by **beathappening** » Thu May 09, 2019 6:58 pm

That's another reason I've been waiting to try Liza's. I keep seeing these reviews where none of the strains they tried work, at all. Then of course there are some saying how great it is. I feel like it's a gamble, and I don't have the money to gamble.

Post by **swablero** » Thu May 09, 2019 7:29 pm

jabro70 wrote:
trigger wrote:Liza is very nice, and the shopping experience was good, and she consulted with me as well and even asked her community for their input to help with my specific needs. So A+++ on being a good vendor. But I’ve tried a handful of her highest recommended and nothing.

Tonight I had Red Nugroz and felt absolutely zero. Not even a mild mood lift. In fact I kinda felt depression creep back in. I hate to say this because she was so nice, but I gotta be honest. It’s bizarre too because I have consistent results with KOG and she supposedly shares a supplier. It’s definitely kratom in these bags. I seem to be the only one, so maybe it’s me. Maybe it’s becase I’m an atheist. Idk.
Her current Red Hulu is really good. I like it better than the Jambu. Some other favorite reds from her are probably the Red Banjo (fall batch), Red Zombie, Red Batak, Red MD and Red Monster. The Monster doesn’t really have any euphoria to it but I don’t think I have a better pain-relieving red.

Man last night I ordered the R Bali and R Zombie. I didnt know the Hula was worth checking out as well. Too many strains man

I need to take better notes. Jabro is a reliable source in my book.

Post by **trigger** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:20 pm

Okay. Zombie is starting to feel good. 2 hours later. My wife said she’s getting a mild mood boost. She took 4g. I took 6. I’ve got euphoria and warmth and a bit of a mood boost. Some pain relief - no anti-inflammatory tho, my knees are still tight and sore. Overall 7.5/10 having not eaten yet. So maybe it was me this whole time. I’ll try other strains again. I would take Zombie again.

Post by **jabro70** » Fri May 10, 2019 10:08 pm

trigger wrote:Okay. Zombie is starting to feel good. 2 hours later. My wife said she’s getting a mild mood boost. She took 4g. I took 6. I’ve got euphoria and warmth and a bit of a mood boost. Some pain relief - no anti-inflammatory tho, my knees are still tight and sore. Overall 7.5/10 having not eaten yet. So maybe it was me this whole time. I’ll try other strains again. I would take Zombie again.

If you like the Red Zombie, you ought to give the Red Hulu a try. Feels a lot like Zombie but much stronger euphoria for me.

Post by **Oletimer** » Sat May 11, 2019 12:09 am

by beathappening » Thu May 09, 2019 8:58 pm

That's another reason I've been waiting to try Liza's. I keep seeing these reviews where none of the strains they tried work, at all. Then of course there are some saying how great it is. I feel like it's a gamble, and I don't have the money to gamble.______________________ if you like your reds Green, ,I can't remember, ,but if you are a fan of say SOSA,,you may not like lizas,,,I don't know if everyone is like this,,but seems after taking lizas,, sosa reds didn't do anything, ,I revisited them later,,after about 3 days I had effects,,,smileytime has green reds,,but I felt effects right from the start,,,so maybe it's body chemistry or drying methods,whatever it is,,sosa finally worked for me,,but I still prefer liza's and smileytime, ,ST seems to have more effects,,like euphoric, mood lift,,where I believe liza's has more pain relief,,,overall anyhow, ,that's why I like to blend Smileytime with Lizas,,or maybe I get stagnant with one and use the other,now I forgot what the point was,,oh yea, ,color,,her reds usually aren't green,

Post by **Oletimer** » Sat May 11, 2019 12:20 am

JABRO, you like the Red Zombie, you ought to give the Red Hulu a try. Feels a lot like Zombie but much stronger euphoria for me.
WAS the red hulu you speak of, ,was that feeling from 1st burn? Or you getting that each time?? I too ordered red bali and zombie,,every time I think I have about every red she has,,a new one pops up that I don't have! I had her yellow hulu, which was a slow one,,older batch,,but not red hulu,,

Post by **brave777** » Sun May 12, 2019 7:38 am

You you i just realized something,

There are days where i dont want no euphoria or any sedation, just for pain and slight clean mood uplift, thats where liza white banjo kicks in. There there are days where i get for work and want something great and stimulant, there comes in the SG #3 from Smiley. And there is days when i just want to relax and melow out, there comes in red jungle from Sosa. Everything serves its purpose on a daily basis how you want to feel. trick is always to not take any kratom over 12 hours to always feel it. I dont think every 4 or 6 hours dose is good idea, it will make kratom not work some days because overlapping with older dose. Sure they all got their magic different powers and many different variety, i talked about one specific strain from each vendor what it focuses more into. Some days i just want to feel just great, clean energy like today, i haven't dosed yes, my 12 hour is almost up and white banjo seems is what i want today. 12 hour in between doses kratom worked all the time even weak batches, i just take 2-3 extra with them. Even thought i cant order from lizza, i am happy to have white banjo when they had my payment option.

I want to assure, revisits for kratom that didnt work is worth a try again, best done after 12 hour breaks. But while on break eat great, drink plenty of herbal teas, let your mind sponge up the goods. I think it does make kratom burns better after 12 hours is up. I do take 6 grams a dose. But i see no problem if you go to 12 grams in the 12 hour spread out. like 6 grams for 6 hours and another 6 for another 6 hours, then 12 hour break, then repeat. just how i done it and kratom always worked well. All vendors! It wont work some days if done every 4 hours but if you dont know or lost or forgot what you suppose to even feel anymore, or cant tell what subtle feel of each strain suppose to be, 100% break time is needed. I also think hitting the sweet spot is important after 12 hours, i always add to water 2 table spoons of braggs apple cider vinegar once after 12 hours, you could do it every dose if wanted, it always brought out the edge.

Liza white banjo batch #102818 That i have. is this what you guys have or different one?

Post by **acejestyr15** » Sun May 12, 2019 8:23 am

brave777 wrote:You you i just realized something,

There are days where i dont want no euphoria or any sedation, just for pain and slight clean mood uplift, thats where liza white banjo kicks in. There there are days where i get for work and want something great and stimulant, there comes in the SG #3 from Smiley. And there is days when i just want to relax and melow out, there comes in red jungle from Sosa. Everything serves its purpose on a daily basis how you want to feel. trick is always to not take any kratom over 12 hours to always feel it. I dont think every 4 or 6 hours dose is good idea, it will make kratom not work some days because overlapping with older dose. Sure they all got their magic different powers and many different variety, i talked about one specific strain from each vendor what it focuses more into. Some days i just want to feel just great, clean energy like today, i haven't dosed yes, my 12 hour is almost up and white banjo seems is what i want today. 12 hour in between doses kratom worked all the time even weak batches, i just take 2-3 extra with them. Even thought i cant order from lizza, i am happy to have white banjo when they had my payment option.

I want to assure, revisits for kratom that didnt work is worth a try again, best done after 12 hour breaks. But while on break eat great, drink plenty of herbal teas, let your mind sponge up the goods. I think it does make kratom burns better after 12 hours is up. I do take 6 grams a dose. But i see no problem if you go to 12 grams in the 12 hour spread out. like 6 grams for 6 hours and another 6 for another 6 hours, then 12 hour break, then repeat. just how i done it and kratom always worked well. All vendors! It wont work some days if done every 4 hours but if you dont know or lost or forgot what you suppose to even feel anymore, 100% break time is needed.

Glad that works well for you, and that you can operate that way. But, plenty of people including myself can rarely if at all wait that 12 hours! Extreme chronic pain, insomnia, and other issues won't always just wait for that 12 hour mark though it would be great if they did. I do my best to wait at least 6 to 8 hours during the day and overnight IF and that's a big IF I actually sleep can usually go about 10 hours give or take. Also, ya have to keep in mind some strains and even different veins have shorter legs/duration which also comes into play with this theory. There are so many variables that contribute to each and every one of our ingestion methods, frequency of dosing, type of strains needed, size of doses, and so on.......

Long story short..... To each their own, do what works for you, just try and be smart/safe no matter what! Not shitting on you nor your post I'm super glad you have a solid theory/method that works for you and maybe it will even help and or work for others but I know that I very rarely would be able to make that work for me and my situation.