Mystic Island Mystic Vampire and Red Bali

[Zeedra]

This kratom (April 25th batch) is absolutely awful to me - it feels sort of like I drank half a cup of coffee and that's it. Zero other "kratom" feelings, doesn't even take away withdrawal. This goes for both strains, so i'm feeling confident they sent me the same shit in differently labelled bags. Their stock is probably too low for them to even be able to offer a replacement, and even if it wasn't, it looks like most people have been unsuccessful trying to get their bunk kratom replaced. Oh well. Lesson learned.

[beathappening]

Well at least we have an answer on whether their new batch is any good. Thank you for taking the bullet for everyone. Can't say I'm surprised. Sorry about that

[herbalhippie]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm glad I missed out on the Vampire then, I very nearly got some.

[pray4peace4]

I've never, ever had a good batch of Mystic. Back when phatcracker was extolling Vampire's virtues about a year to 18 months ago I got some & boy, it was a disappointment. I take it out every once in a while to see if it's still crummy & it's very consistently bad. Just my experience.

[Zeedra]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm glad I missed out on the Vampire then, I very nearly got some.

If you like stimulating white strains you might like this, but this is feeling to me like some weak white strains i've sampled (which isn't often, only when it's a free sample or i have a benzo on hand) because white kratom is a completely different experience for me, which is why I only order reds and i absolutely love MI reds. This is just speculation, but what i strongly suspect happened is that they ran out of their Vampire and Red Bali before they could send it out. The vampire and Bali weren't even up on their website for 24 hours before being removed, and they were removed long before they sent out my order. I think they sent me some random white or green that they had laying around, but i of course can't prove that. Either that, or this kratom is so bad that the alkaloid levels in my usual dose are so low that it's giving me anxiety and no positive effects.

I've never, ever had a good batch of Mystic. Back when phatcracker was extolling Vampire's virtues about a year to 18 months ago I got some & boy, it was a disappointment. I take it out every once in a while to see if it's still crummy & it's very consistently bad. Just my experience.

I've only ever had positive experiences with them up until this point, even in January the red bali they sent out (when many people here were complaining about drop in quality on their orders) was fine for me. Not as good as their stuff from last summer, but still good. They've always been my go to vendor since Nov 2017 because their reds just really agree with my body chemistry. I know getting one bad batch doesn't seem like a big deal for most but I'm on disability and my disposable income is virtually non existent, so now I'm pretty much forced to quit temporarily. I would rather quit and be sort of miserable for a while than continue to put myself through an anxiety attack every time i take kratom.

[BallzDeep9]

This kratom (April 25th batch) is absolutely awful to me ... It looks like most people have been unsuccessful trying to get their bunk kratom replaced. Oh well. Lesson learned.

OH well. You were warned.. and STILL gave them money? What's the old saying, Fool me once, Fool me twice or.. ??

Thanks for posting! Good News is, right now its a total Buyers Market - there is a LOT of good kratom out there. And even better, we've got a Trading Post on MM! So there's Sample Packs here, and vintage leaf, and theres some decent backpack sellers around too.

[Zeedra]

This kratom (April 25th batch) is absolutely awful to me ... It looks like most people have been unsuccessful trying to get their bunk kratom replaced. Oh well. Lesson learned.

OH well. You were warned.. and STILL gave them money? What's the old saying, Fool me once, Fool me twice or.. ??

Thanks for posting! Good News is, right now its a total Buyers Market - there is a LOT of good kratom out there. And even better, we've got a Trading Post on MM! So there's Sample Packs here, and vintage leaf, and theres some decent backpack sellers around too.

I had never had a bad experience, even after the phatcracker debacle. At the time, I felt it was pretty unfair to remove them from the list when they sent out one bad batch, when every single trusted vendor has bad kratom from time to time. According to some people on here in Feb and March their quality was back up but after that, I've seen no posts about them.

So I wasn't "fooled", I just don't have a hate boner for MI for no justifiable reason. I will try to contact them about a replacement but I don't have my hopes up. I'd imagine they would if multiple people were complaining but nobody really posts about them since their stock is so low all the time.

[beathappening]

I just don't have a hate boner for MI for no justifiable reason

Are you implying someone does? There's definitely reasons.

Kratom is a competitive market. If a vendor fails to provide good product AND, in this case, adequate customer service (remember it wasn't just his leaf that was bad, he also treated his customers poorly) including after the sale care, then there's a plethora of other vendors out there waiting for business. Better product, better customer service, better everything. I think MI has already had its three strikes. I guess I can see why people want to be loyal, they associate MI with good memories of kratom from last year and before, but at some point you have to realize, hey this is bullshit. I wonder why you still stand by him when you now have first hand experience of him providing bunk kratom and not giving you a refund or anything else.

[ScottyK]

If it’s a white they sent you’d be able to easily tell by the taste.

I guess the most logical explanation is that their supplier dropped out and they can’t get anything good.

Someone did say that mystique was good tho I thought.

[Zeedra]

I just don't have a hate boner for MI for no justifiable reason

Are you implying someone does? There's definitely reasons.

Kratom is a competitive market. If a vendor fails to provide good product AND, in this case, adequate customer service (remember it wasn't just his leaf that was bad, he also treated his customers poorly) including after the sale care, then there's a plethora of other vendors out there waiting for business. Better product, better customer service, better everything. I think MI has already had its three strikes. I guess I can see why people want to be loyal, they associate MI with good memories of kratom from last year and before, but at some point you have to realize, hey this is bullshit. I wonder why you still stand by him when you now have first hand experience of him providing bunk kratom and not giving you a refund or anything else.

Yeah, the guy i quoted does.

See that's the thing, it wasn't three strikes, the community basically turned on him overnight and that didn't sit right with me.

Yes, I now have experience first hand but I haven't yet seen how they'll handle it, if at all. This is simply a review. If they just brush me off, well my opinion of them will change

[ScottyK]

Guess I found Smiley in the nick of time. I also was about to get some vampire but it was gone. Perhaps they never had any to begin with. I’m gonna steer clear.

[BallzDeep9]

So I wasn't "fooled", I just don't have a hate boner for MI for no justifiable reason.

haha I collected like a dozen bad reviews! Jeezuz how many do you NEED? So OK, we DROP them from the Vendor List and here's a loyal customer (who just admitted got bunk kratom!)... accusing me of hating on the vendor? Excuse me, bad reviews get you dropped!

I waited. Its pretty HARD to get dropped, really. It takes multiple complaints. MI isn't the 1st one to get dropped. Prob not the last either lol I mean... its a pretty sketchy business, right? They also got listed, on Kratom Assholes.

FOR being a dirty vendor. I don't necessarily AGREE with them. But there's ONE big difference between MI, and most other vendors... MI doesn't only sell "pure kratom". He sells powder in a bag, he calls Gandalf, Fartknocker.. whatever. And he won't say, what's in the bag!!

That's a BIG deal, for those worried about Lab Testing, etc. And there's a thing about Drug Manufacturing, making "blends" IS a type of manufacturing.. sorry, that's the Rules.. GMP guidelines. Most other vendors... RVA, B.Bunny, SoSa, etc only Import & sell the product they get from Indonesia. MI is based in a Florida apartment, and he's mixing up his blends there - I guess that got him listed on Assholes

I'm SORRY you got burned... Go ahead. YELL at me, if it makes ya feel better.. I'd be mad TOO!

[beathappening]

Fartknocker blend made me lol. Doesn't sound too far off. Also I didn't know about the kratom assholes site, looks like I have some new reading material tonight.

[BallzDeep9]

Also I didn't know about the kratom assholes site, looks like I have some new reading material tonight.

yeah they've got a FB Group.. funny stuff. The dude's a good writer.. But, after re-reading this.. His MI review was unfair, he's bashing MI for not Lab Testing? Join the club.. At least MI was honest about it! For most vendors, the whole fake lab testing thing is a joke.

[labdog03]

DELETED Comment...decided I'd stay out of it all together.

[Zeedra]

I just want to put this out there because I feel like I owe them at least this. I had gotten some very low potency leaf from them as well. Hell, I have gotten bad leaf from some of the most trusted names out there. And some of them told me TOO BAD, no guarantees on Kratom.

I contacted Mystic back in late February about it and they immediately sent me out a replacement, no questions asked. I got the replacement (Mystic Unicorn) on March 4th. It was acceptable quality Kratom. I don't think it was quite as good as past batches but was good, average leaf. Maybe even a little better than average. So as far as I'm concerned, they made things right for me and I have no further issue with them.

We all know it is not easy getting GREAT quality Kratom ALL THE TIME. To be honest, I probably won't order anything else from them until they prove they have quality leaf again. But that's just BUSINESS. I just wanted to show that they DID make good on an issue for me, and I harbor no ill will. I too am uncomfortable saying they did all this ON PURPOSE. We really have no proof that happened, and I for one believe in INNOCENT until PROVEN Guilty. Mistakes happen, and they made it good. Good luck to Mystic in the future.

That's good to know. What size was your order? I'm gonna give the vampire one more try before I contact them just to be sure, but ive gotten the same reaction every time now so i don't expect anything to change. I hope they'll work with me because this doesn't feel like any red strain I've ever ordered.

Hell, it may not be "bunk" in the general sense but it's bad to me. It's the fastest, most anxiety inducing kratom I've ever had, but someone that doesn't experience anxiety and actually likes really stimulating whites might like it. I'm extremely prone to anxiety so I go out of my way to only order reds.

[Zeedra]

So I wasn't "fooled", I just don't have a hate boner for MI for no justifiable reason.

haha I collected like a dozen bad reviews! Jeezuz how many do you NEED? So OK, we DROP them from the Vendor List and here's a loyal customer (who just admitted got bunk kratom!)... accusing me of hating on the vendor? Excuse me, bad reviews get you dropped!

I waited. Its pretty HARD to get dropped, really. It takes multiple complaints. MI isn't the 1st one to get dropped. Prob not the last either lol I mean... its a pretty sketchy business, right? They also got listed, on Kratom Assholes.

FOR being a dirty vendor. I don't necessarily AGREE with them. But there's ONE big difference between MI, and most other vendors... MI doesn't only sell "pure kratom". He sells powder in a bag, he calls Gandalf, Fartknocker.. whatever. And he won't say, what's in the bag!!

That's a BIG deal, for those worried about Lab Testing, etc. And there's a thing about Drug Manufacturing, making "blends" IS a type of manufacturing.. sorry, that's the Rules.. GMP guidelines. Most other vendors... RVA, B.Bunny, SoSa, etc only Import & sell the product they get from Indonesia. MI is based in a Florida apartment, and he's mixing up his blends there - I guess that got him listed on Assholes

I'm SORRY you got burned... Go ahead. YELL at me, if it makes ya feel better.. I'd be mad TOO!

I apologize if i came off as rude or aggressive yesterday, I was in an extremely bad mood and it rubbed off. I do appreciate all the feedback.

[BallzDeep9]

I apologize if i came off as rude or aggressive yesterday, I was in an extremely bad mood and it rubbed off. I do appreciate all the feedback.

No, its my fault, sounded like I making fun of your situation.. Nobody wants to hear "I told you so"! Sorry for that. We naturally stick with our good vendors.. its sad for everyone.

[trigger]

I haven’t ordered from them in a year or so, but they were definitely a favorite for me. I find myself turning to my remaining stash of theirs less and less as I’ve depleted my favorites, but I’m still a fan. I really hope they are able to get back to the way things were before. I still plan to order again if they get their shit straightened out.

I recommended MI to a friend a few years ago, and she’s been buying from them exclusively since. She takes Vampire every day and doesn’t really stray to much else (though I sent her a bunch of samples from current good vendors). I asked her if the recent batch of Vampire is still good, so I’ll update when she responds.

[beathappening]

Cool, let us know. I'd love to hear back from OP as well to see if they make it right. Just be careful about an exchange, because they might just send you more crap. A refund would be prudent.

I doubt I'll ever order from them again, after seeing at least 10 bad separate reviews, and their listing on kratomassholes (lol). Even if they do get their good leaf in again, they still make up weird blends in their dirty apartment and have terrible customer support. They are members of this forum as well, so they can easily come here and prove all of us wrong. Don't think that's going to happen though.

[trigger]

My friend said the recent vampire she got was good. Same as usual. She says when she gets a weak batch she just takes a bit more of it. I think she takes like 3-4g usually. She spoons some into a chocolate smoothie or something. I sent her samples of some forum favorites to see what she thinks. Waiting for her to compare sth yellow Vietnam and KOG red indo to her usual.

[Wantedking]

Dam there kratom was the first kratom i ever try 2 years ago and i been clean ever since it help me get clean from a 8 year addiction to opiates but haven't ordered from them in about a year and a half since i had a a few kilos from them and i started ordering straight from indo and order like 20 kilos from indo and i actually still have 1 kilo of there red bali wich was the straine that help me get clean so i save it for special night always brings me back to the 3 day of wd i was in and ones i drink the kratom i felt brand new and new from there that i would never touch a pill agen so really sad to hear this i made a account in this website but never really check it out into today im tired of reddit bum ass also i had order ones from them and did not pay was gonna pay the next day but my apartment burn down and i told him i will not be able to pay it to cancel the order and he still send me half a kilo of red bali he was a really good guy sad to hear how things have change and sorry for my spelling my English is not so good since Spanish is my main language

[Zeedra]

EDIT: I jumped the gun. I just realized the email I sent was on a Friday evening, Katie did end up getting back to me on Monday and offered her help.