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[otiesbotanicals]

Is your Kratom clean and safe? Enjoy your burn knowing that your leaf is potent. As well as free from heavy metals, contaminants, pesticides and adulteration. All Kratom is given a UV light and Gamma ray bath. This is the golden standard. Why should you settle for less? From the quality of our products, to our low prices, customer service and satisfaction, we aim to exceed your expectations. Nothing but the best. Welcome to Otie's Botanicals!

Oh yeah, time for a sale!!!!

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[JeffTreeBurner]

Mannnnnn, I already ordered for this month, we're on a fixed income. Do you have sales every month?

[otiesbotanicals]

Sure do!

[JeffTreeBurner]

Alright awesome!!! We git ripped off this time so I won't beable to order until next month. Thank you so much

[otiesbotanicals]

You got ripped off???

[JeffTreeBurner]

Yes, from a different vendor, my father and I have been taking kratom for a little over three year's now, he has severe chronic pain and I take it for major depression and anxiety, we order every month. The reason I tell you this is because I can count on one hand the number of time's we haven't gotten ripped off. There is alot of shady vendor's out now who are just trying to make as much money as they can without caring about there customers or the quality.

[acejestyr15]

Yes, from a different vendor, my father and I have been taking kratom for a little over three year's now, he has severe chronic pain and I take it for major depression and anxiety, we order every month. The reason I tell you this is because I can count on one hand the number of time's we haven't gotten ripped off. There is alot of shady vendor's out now who are just trying to make as much money as they can without caring about there customers or the quality.

If you're referring to SOSA, than you didn't get ripped off and you shouldn't be saying it to ppl like that here either. I use SOSA a lot and have many of their regularly stocked strained in my arsenal and I absolutely love their leaf!!! I have been burning now for 2 years and have used numerous other vendors so it's not an inexperienced thing either..... I use kratom for chronic pain, insomnia, mood balance, and boosted energy as well as originally to fend of withdrawals from RX drugs so. Sounds like this batch of leaf you got from SOSA just isn't for you, which has happened to just about all of us at one time or another. I'd hate to have a reputable vendors name bashed and tarnished as if they "ripped someone off" instead of you don't enjoy nor get your usual benefits from said leaf, that's not fair/right!!! IDK, just my 2 cents but, with the always potential bans and legal nonsense, the different uses/body chemistry differences, as well as just trying to determine reputable/quality/trusted vendors as a consumer that we should all be dedicated to leaving carefully worded totally honest and fair reviews/opinions on whatever topic is at hand.

Not trying to be a jerk at all, nor attack anyone, just don't want to see a well known great vendors bashed or spoken ill of all because of not enjoying a few of the first strains tried for the first time. Call it what it is.... I know for a fact SOSA didn't/doesn't rip anyone off nor sell bunk product! I have had the same issue with a couple vendors one of which a heavy hitter around here.... KOG. But, if you look, I never claimed to be ripped off in anyway, simply stated that none of their strains that I've tried were hits for me unfortunately and I guess that my body chemistry just doesn't mean with their offerings, NBD!

All in all, please everyone be mindful of what is said and how it is said in reviews as to give honest and correct info to other consumers as well as feedback for the vendors....

[Theanine]

As far as I know, NO ONE on this board is scamming anyone. Certainly, not any of the known vendors. In fact, this board promotes some of the best Kratom merchants in the industry. I have only heard great things of SOSA, but I have never ordered from them, not yet...

[Luk3]

I would say keep trying. I have had varieties from all the major vendors not jive with me at first, but upon continuing to try them some are now my favorites! Sometimes it takes a few tries for your body to acclimate to new leaf.
Otie, sorry to go off topic, I can’t wait to try some of your leaf!

[otiesbotanicals]

It's all good! There are some good points. Oh yes there are some vendors out there that don't really give a shit. I really don't believe any of them are part of double m. All batches are different, and all people are different. So the green md we have, I've had five people tell me that's it's in their top five burns, than I had another lady said she didn't really care too much for it. Lol. Alot of it just comes down to the individual. Everyone says they love my reds. But I don't get it, cause reds don't do ANYTHING for me! That just goes to show lol

[acejestyr15]

It's all good! There are some good points. Oh yes there are some vendors out there that don't really give a shit. I really don't believe any of them are part of double m. All batches are different, and all people are different. So the green md we have, I've had five people tell me that's it's in their top five burns, than I had another lady said she didn't really care too much for it. Lol. Alot of it just comes down to the individual. Everyone says they love my reds. But I don't get it, cause reds don't do ANYTHING for me! That just goes to show lol

Well said, and great input from a vendor whether new to doubleM or not.... Thank you!! Welcome to the forum as well Otie, though, I know you've been here a month or two now at least. I haven't had the chance of trying any of your product but have read pretty much all great things, so I look forward to sampling your stuff myself hopefully sooner than later when can get some funds together which has been tough lately.

But once again, thanks for your awesome input as both an individual and a vendor!

[JeffTreeBurner]

I have a kilo of three diffrent strains and not one of them do shit, I ordered the one's I know for a fact that help me and they are shit. Your not trying to be a dick? Yes I think you are or you wouldn't have said anything. I have seen numerous people say sosa didn't do shit for them, so were going to take the word of the people who say there good over people who say there not? That's cool. I know the difference between good and bad kratom, it's shitty kratom. And for one other thing I was not bashing them, believe me you will know when I'm bashing them buddy. The kratom is fresh but it does not change the fact it is shit. So take your two cents on somewhere

[acejestyr15]

I have a kilo of three diffrent strains and not one of them do shit, I ordered the one's I know for a fact that help me and they are shit. Your not trying to be a dick? Yes I think you are or you wouldn't have said anything. I have seen numerous people say sosa didn't do shit for them, so were going to take the word of the people who say there good over people who say there not? That's cool. I know the difference between good and bad kratom, it's shitty kratom. And for one other thing I was not bashing them, believe me you will know when I'm bashing them buddy. The kratom is fresh but it does not change the fact it is shit. So take your two cents on somewhere

Not bashing?!?! You claimed you got ripped off, which you didn't!!!! Great job at an adult conversation pal, just another person added to the short list of ppl to not pay attention around here now I was polite and legit trying to share some insight, but now you've shown your true colors all not long after joining.... Thanks for making it so clear that your opinions and comments hold no weight!!!

[JeffTreeBurner]

I hate when people say not being a jerk, because yes you were. This had nothing to do with you but you put yourself in the conversation. And saying I got ripped off is not bashing smart guy

[instantKARMA]

I hate when people say not being a jerk, because yes you were. This had nothing to do with you but you put yourself in the conversation. And saying I got ripped off is not bashing smart guy

Dude, seriously...just seriously!?!?!? This forum is for everyone, not just you! So, what you're
saying is that since you didn't post to anyone in particular, then no one should respond, is
that your take on this?

I totally agree with ace. I've had nothing but good leaf from SOSA and to call it "shit" is way
overboard. Just cuz it doesn't work for you doesn't make it "shit!" It's just the nature of the leaf!
Too many people on this board have had quality leaf from SOSA for anyone to simply label it
as "shit!"

I've only made one negative post about one vendor on this venue because a certain very large
vendor was selling very substandard leaf and a number of other members had the same experience.
Most of us don't buy from that vendor anymore!

I'm certainly not going to come on here bashing a vendor that has very good reviews on this board
because it didn't work for me.

[acejestyr15]

I hate when people say not being a jerk, because yes you were. This had nothing to do with you but you put yourself in the conversation. And saying I got ripped off is not bashing smart guy

Dude, seriously...just seriously!?!?!? This forum is for everyone, not just you! So, what you're
saying is that since you didn't post to anyone in particular, then no one should respond, is
that your take on this?

I totally agree with ace. I've had nothing but good leaf from SOSA and to call it "shit" is way
overboard. Just cuz it doesn't work for you doesn't make it "shit!" It's just the nature of the leaf!
Too many people on this board have had quality leaf from SOSA for anyone to simply label it
as "shit!"

I've only made one negative post about one vendor on this venue because a certain very large
vendor was selling very substandard leaf and a number of other members had the same experience.
Most of us don't buy from that vendor anymore!

I'm certainly not going to come on here bashing a vendor that has very good reviews on this board
because it didn't work for me.

Thanks iK that all I've been trying to say, was legit not being a jerk at all!! It gets said because the internet provides no tone nor body language so it's the easiest was to try and clarify where you're coming from.... But apparently this know it all new guy determines who can respond and what vendors are good hahaha. I don't know how it became necessary to launch an all out attack but whatever. And I'd say throwing out such harsh and definite claims as this person has are most definitely considered bashing especially when myself and others can more than vouch for the leaf!!! Not to mention, why'd you order kilos of three different strains not even knowing if you got good effects from them?!?! There's plenty of outstanding leaf going around right now....

Seems to me just angry and kicking yourself in the ass for making a bad decision and taking it out on the vendor! Maybe, just maybe?!?!

[instantKARMA]

Thanks iK that all I've been trying to say, was legit not being a jerk at all!! It gets said because the internet provides no tone nor body language so it's the easiest was to try and clarify where you're coming from...

No problem, ace. I feel the same as you when it comes to bashing vendors. I will say that I forgot to mention in my
previous post that I've actually made comments regarding two vendors...one was concerning poor quality, the other
was poor customer service, so I stand corrected! I believe you know which vendors to which I'm referring!

I generally make it a rule not to comment negatively on any of our vendors! There is one other vendor that just
doesn't seem to work for me, but a majority of the board has nothing but good things to say in regard to that
vendor. It's obviously just my body chemistry! As I said, it's just the nature of the leaf!

[BallzDeep9]

And I'd say throwing out such harsh and definite claims as this person has, are most definitely considered bashing especially when myself and others can more than vouch for the leaf!!!!

I agree with Ace, and Karma, here that claiming you got ripped-off by a vendor is bashing, when that vendor has LOTS of customers, both here & MeWe and nobody else is having the same problem .. Sure its possible that SoSa got a very average batch of leaf .. But Red Flag for Otie's here if you sell to this guy, very possible he might turn around & accuse you of shit kratom or scamming, JUST because the particular strain didn't impress him .. Very common around here, for guys to say kratom didn't work for them or whatever then.. they figure out its the ol' tolerance Bug again

[CatfatherB]

"I'd be happy to replace your order Jeff"........This was Sosa's reply to that thread, doesn't sound like a rip-off to me?

[JHole]

"I'd be happy to replace your order Jeff"........This was Sosa's reply to that thread, doesn't sound like a rip-off to me?

Exactly, doesn't even sound like he contacted them to see if they would make it right. Can't say it is shit, if you never gave them a chance to make it right. Customer service is a lot. Sounds like a good vendor to me?!?!

[clueless vein]

Its fine to not like a product, JeffTreeBurner. I liked Sosa and I respect that you don't.

This topic is sad and a very small example as to why the kratom community is getting a bad rep. What's with the reddit-esque, borderline circle jerking around one person bull? Thats become a trend? Hes clearly unhappy as it is, why keep going and going, you know damn well he can read it still. A lot of you who choose to be idiots become so defensive, it ends up as offense or alienation to someone else.

Correct and help someone out. Not bombard them while slowly gravitating to this passive demeaning shit; thus alienating them. Joking or not. Give your advice or knowledge and move on. If they don't respond how you want, so what? You did your part, there's enough others to distract you. This is why a lot of people are nervous to post; seemingly more than ever recently. And i too, dont feel like getting attacked, discluded or demeaned, whether passively or not, because the words or sentence I used to express myself wasn't to everyone's satisfaction or standards. Sure it isn't good to call something like that "shit", but that's obvious frustration, as we all get sometimes. Too many people in the community act like semi-delusional burnouts that sit around stroking each others withering ego .Seemingly as with most online communities, especially ones based around substance more less. This community had a great atmosphere and way of generally going about; what happened.