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trigger wrote:
matt11 wrote:do they have a website, or is it email only vendor?
They did have a website for a bit, but they lost it and changed names after a dissolved partnership. As of now, they are email only. The vendor doesn’t own a computer, so you’ll be talking to a girl who works for him. She doesn’t pack it or try every strain either, fyi. They run really good sales from time to time. Get on their email list and you’ll be notified.
So, this is not Soultanic Greenery's website?

https://www.soultanic.com/store/
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That is his website theanine. I’ve got some standouts from him lately. Some were great some were average. He’s out of stock right now
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Lambeezy wrote:That is his website theanine. I’ve got some standouts from him lately. Some were great some were average. He’s out of stock right now

yes that's the website soultanic.com and it'll be updated with new inventory very shortly.

(Small batches from Indo suppliers Widi, Ariyanta and Ammo expected.)
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got some of the Dark green pinoh coming tomorrow, I drop in with a review later tomorrow.

on his website everything is out of stock, but through email I was able to get 500g, not sure if he has any additional strains on hand at the moment or not. Very nice guy to accommodate me via. email.
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That Green Pinoh sounds tasty but I've gotten Green Pinoh from a couple different vendors and have never had luck with it. :cry:
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I’ve only tried soul’s dark green pinoh a few time through a trade with someone on here. I loved it, hopefully it’s similar
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herbalhippie wrote:That Green Pinoh sounds tasty but I've gotten Green Pinoh from a couple different vendors and have never had luck with it. :cry:
Other vendors label their regular Kratom DGP, but they aren't sourced from that region. True DGP comes in small batches and only a few hundred kilos of it ever comes through in the dry season. "Ancient Wilds" are harvested in the deep jungle where old Kratom trees grow. They are also processed indoors as it is indeed some very special leaf. Obviously, this would be a very limited edition product that other vendors may try to imitate, but if you get the real stuff, you would know, it is bliss central, the best Kratom there is. I'm on the hunt for the true DGP and it might be coming to a vendor near you! Botanical Bunny might carry it soon! :shock:
matt11 wrote:I’ve only tried soul’s dark green pinoh a few time through a trade with someone on here. I loved it, hopefully it’s similar
Same here. Soultanic's DGP is the only one I would trust at this point and they only deal in small batches. As a result, I have been unable to actually locate it in stock. Hopefully, I'd catch at least a kilo of it with their upcoming restock. Dark Elephant is another one of their true fire strains by the same farmer. Notice the "Dark" pattern.

Supposedly, the DGP is produced by a friend of Fhietra of Golden Green Kratom (GGK). It is an unfermented Red from old, wild trees. (DARK GREEN) Nanga Pinoh is the principal city of the Melawi Regency, West Kalimantan, Indonesia (WIKI).
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had a chance to try the dark green pinoh, and it's on point. very good quality in my opinion, id put it in the "fire" catagory. better then the last batch I tried. Id give it a 8 out of 10. which is very good for me, to give a strain a 9 or 10 out of 10 it would have to be extremely fire.

Mid spec maybe a little on the fast side. energetic strain accompanied with great mood lift and euphoria. id say all 3 of those qualities are equal in effect, maybe less energy then mood lift and euphoria. well rounded strain. this is the best strain ive had in a min.

Honestly I think it was from his previous stock because when I asked if he had any in stock he said he had had about a 1/2 kilo left of dark green pinoh he could hook me up with. Not sure if it'll be the same on his next restock, but im hoping it is or similar. Im definitely going to pick up more though when he's back in stock.
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The DGP was one of my favorites from Soul. His Dark Elephant, Green Ketapang and Red Hulu are also very nice.
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jabro70 wrote:The DGP was one of my favorites from Soul. His Dark Elephant, Green Ketapang and Red Hulu are also very nice.
Yes they are! I especially liked the four that you mentioned! The Green Saka was
also very good...slow and euphoric!
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instantKARMA wrote: The Green Saka was
also very good...slow and euphoric!
I agree totally IK - the Green Saka was great! But while we’re at it I’d go ahead and throw in the Green Mantap, Green #5, and PMD in that category. Those May and June batches from Soul were fantastic!
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jabro70 wrote:
instantKARMA wrote: The Green Saka was
also very good...slow and euphoric!
I agree totally IK - the Green Saka was great! But while we’re at it I’d go ahead and throw in the Green Mantap, Green #5, and PMD in that category. Those May and June batches from Soul were fantastic!
You are so right! I have all of those and they were all exceptional. The first time
I did the Green Mantap though, I didn't get much! But the second time was amazing!
Strange as hell how the herb works that way...wish we knew what the mechanism
is for that! :geek:
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jabro70 wrote:
instantKARMA wrote: The Green Saka was
also very good...slow and euphoric!
I agree totally IK - the Green Saka was great! But while we’re at it I’d go ahead and throw in the Green Mantap, Green #5, and PMD in that category. Those May and June batches from Soul were fantastic!
Much of that will be coming around again as summer leaf.

And just for your information, I think the first batches to go out will be from Ariyanta. the Dark Elephant, the Red MD Yellow Sunda G Keta R Kali. Haven't seen a complete list yet. Some new batches also. At least new for me. I've heard a lot about the Super Elephant.
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I’m Ready for some more Soul leaf!!
:P
I also look fwd to some Grn Saka and Grn Mantap! Id be interested in a Red Saka and Red Mantap, or even
A Red Gayo! ;)
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Payshince wrote:I’m Ready for some more Soul leaf!!
:P
I also look fwd to some Grn Saka and Grn Mantap! Id be interested in a Red Saka and Red Mantap, or even
A Red Gayo! ;)
First up is Ariyanto's summer small batch so you'll have to wait for the possibility of those strains Payshince. Ammo and Widi are still in transit.

Dark Elephant, Super Elephant, Yellow Sunda, said to be fast and balanced, a fast Green Ketapang, a midspec Red MD, Red Kali and maybe a few others.
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I can't wait to get my paws on that Dark Green Pinoh. I want it bad and now. :lol:

Does anyone know when the actual restock is coming? I've been checking their site daily.
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Theanine wrote:I can't wait to get my paws on that Dark Green Pinoh. I want it bad and now. :lol:

Does anyone know when the actual restock is coming? I've been checking their site daily.
It will be done incrementally by supplier. Aryiyanto is here now and is being bagged right now I mentioned some of the strains above.

The plan is to update the website over the weekend for sale beginning Sunday or Monday.

The other suppliers and your Dark G Pinoh are in transit and it's hard to predict there exact arrival date at this point though it will certainly be within the next couple weeks. Its in that space where it goes dark until the shipment pops up in customs at some point.
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swablero wrote:
Theanine wrote:I can't wait to get my paws on that Dark Green Pinoh. I want it bad and now. :lol:

Does anyone know when the actual restock is coming? I've been checking their site daily.
It will be done incrementally by supplier. Aryiyanto is here now and is being bagged right now I mentioned some of the strains above.

The plan is to update the website over the weekend for sale beginning Sunday or Monday.

The other suppliers and your Dark G Pinoh are in transit and it's hard to predict there exact arrival date at this point though it will certainly be within the next couple weeks.
Fantabulous, thanks for the update! Does Aryiyanto offer any mid spec varieties? High specs make me edgy. Also, who is the supplier of the DGP and what other strains does that supplier offer? If it's not a trade secret of course. I want to try ALL of the DGP supplier low to mid spec fare, preferably Green Wild varieties from old large trees. I'm sorry for all the questions, but I am obsessed!
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I finally got around to trying Soul's RJK that I had ordered in July. WOW! That is the best pure red burn that I've had this year. I should've tried it earlier. I would've stocked up on it. Excellent leaf! 9/10
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I already posted this to another Soultanic thread, but I believe it is some vital information in understanding what Soultanic Greenery really does. So, I am reposting it here:

I too am getting on board with the Soultanic Greenery. If what I had heard of that outfit is true, it may be the best small batch kratom outfit on the MM, out of MANY who are also very good of course. I have only tried one of their product thus far, the Dark Green Pinoh, which is a true small batch strain out of the Nanga Pinoh, the principal city of the Melawi Regency, West Kalimantan, Indonesia.

Although many try to imitate it, only one farmer produces the true DGP. As far as I am aware, Soultanic is the only one with access to that farmer. Bigger distributors would not have something like this, its just not produced in large enough quantities. Why?

This specific variety comes from the deep jungle of the West Kalimantan, Indonesia. It is harvested in limited quantities from very large and old trees, those trees are decades old and the foliage canopy is very high. That makes harvesting actually dangerous and very time consuming. Not to mention, there is only so much leafage at any given height. Such is not the case for regular, plantation kratom which can be gathered with ease in much larger quantities. Also, the locations of those trees are closely guarded by the farmers, which is good because there is no replacing those trees once they're gone.

Fairly, this specific strain should sell at a much higher price, even though I don't really believe in the multi tiered approach. This is definitely a premium product, and not in the same way that a "Premium MD" is premium, because that is still a mass produced product. And while some mass produced kratom can indeed be good, it is never able to actually reach this level of quality, or even close to it, it's just impossible.

Soultanic Greenery specializes in such limited production strains which larger vendors have NEVER carried, and NEVER will. The effect from this level of Kratom is absolutely spectacular! It is at least 50% more potent than your average PREMIUM leaf, twice as potent as the regular leaf. With Kratom, increased dosages do not produce increased effects as the opioid antagonist alkaloids within the plant are also increased which negates Kratom's increased positive effects. So, the only way to actually boost a dose is either add a good extract or use a small batch wonder such as this. Yes, this stuff is for more advanced users who could appreciate the finer points of this plant. Believe me though, when you try it, then you will know what I am speaking of right now. Only then would you achieve the taste of ultimate quality in Kratom, only available from select small batch vendors and table to table outfits.

Reviews of all are coming up.

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Kratom on! :mrgreen:
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For everyone who follows Soultanic.com for the small batch leaf, Soul has predictably sold out of out of quite a bit already though there is some nice inventory still available as I think will become apparent when the reviews start rolling in.

But in case anyone planned on ordering right now I want to let everyone know there is a restock being prepared for this weekend.

The for the weekend restock the supplier is Ammo for those who care for such details and this restock is much anticipated particularly for the Supergreen which was really memorable in its last iteration. There is apparently a batch of Super Indo which is apparently worth noting. If anyone is interested in updates on the restock please let me know.
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swablero wrote:For everyone who follows Soultanic.com for the small batch leaf, Soul has predictably sold out of out of quite a bit already though there is some nice inventory still available as I think will become apparent when the reviews start rolling in.

But in case anyone planned on ordering right now I want to let everyone know there is a restock being prepared for this weekend.

The for the weekend restock the supplier is Ammo for those who care for such details and this restock is much anticipated particularly for the Supergreen which was really memorable in its last iteration. There is apparently a batch of Super Indo which is apparently worth noting. If anyone is interested in updates on the restock please let me know.

Just to clarify, there are TWO new strains coming up this weekend, Super Green AND Super Indo?

I don't know why I didn't get that Green Thai, I just didn't see it, maybe we could trade some....
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Theanine wrote:
swablero wrote:For everyone who follows Soultanic.com for the small batch leaf, Soul has predictably sold out of out of quite a bit already though there is some nice inventory still available as I think will become apparent when the reviews start rolling in.

But in case anyone planned on ordering right now I want to let everyone know there is a restock being prepared for this weekend.

The for the weekend restock the supplier is Ammo for those who care for such details and this restock is much anticipated particularly for the Supergreen which was really memorable in its last iteration. There is apparently a batch of Super Indo which is apparently worth noting. If anyone is interested in updates on the restock please let me know.

Just to clarify, there are TWO new strains coming up this weekend, Super Green AND Super Indo?

I don't know why I didn't get that Green Thai, I just didn't see it, maybe we could trade some....
Yes the Super Indo and Super Green are not currently in inventory and are coming from a different supplier. The Super Green is much anticipated because of the quality of recent batches. The Super Indo comes with a more historic anticipation as its not always available as I understand it.

(I have green thai coming as I tend to go for th faster strains. but that's a dixussion for PMs.)
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Just received my new order and plan on trying as many of the following as possible over the weekend.....

White Pinoh
White Saka
Green Brunei
Green Saka
Green Thai
Green Ketapang
Super Elephant
Wild White Kapuas
Green Jong Kong
Green Hulu

I'll post some observations after a couple burns of each. :D
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guitartodd77 wrote:Just received my new order and plan on trying as many of the following as possible over the weekend.....

White Pinoh
White Saka
Green Brunei
Green Saka
Green Thai
Green Ketapang
Super Elephant
Wild White Kapuas
Green Jong Kong
Green Hulu

I'll post some observations after a couple burns of each. :D
Same here, how much did you get in total? I only got a split kilo, which wasn't the smartest thing, but it is my first order with Soul.

I am planning on reviewing every single strain of his via a separate Soultanic Greenery exclusive thread. Why? Because this leaf well deserves its own spot. If someone has BETTER leaf, please point me into that direction.

Next order will be at least a couple of kilos, probably more. I wish I had found this place months ago before I bought all of my second rate stuff.

I should've gotten that Green Thai too. Surprised you didn't get any Dark Green Pinoh -- very good leaf!

Oh well, such is life....
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Theanine wrote:
guitartodd77 wrote:Just received my new order and plan on trying as many of the following as possible over the weekend.....

White Pinoh
White Saka
Green Brunei
Green Saka
Green Thai
Green Ketapang
Super Elephant
Wild White Kapuas
Green Jong Kong
Green Hulu

I'll post some observations after a couple burns of each. :D
Same here, how much did you get in total? I only got a split kilo, which wasn't the smartest thing, but it is my first order with Soul.

I am planning on reviewing every single strain of his via a separate Soultanic Greenery exclusive thread. Why? Because this leaf well deserves its own spot. If someone has BETTER leaf, please point me into that direction.

Next order will be at least a couple of kilos, probably more. I wish I had found this place months ago before I bought all of my second rate stuff.

I should've gotten that Green Thai too. Surprised you didn't get any Dark Green Pinoh -- very good leaf!

Oh well, such is life....
I over purchased.... again. :mrgreen:

Regarding the DGP.... I have plenty from the past two or three batches in my stash. The batch from late June is slower than the batch from mid July. Not a huge delta but it is interesting as to the variations between the batches. I probably should've picked up a little more just for comparison but frankly, I'm running out of places to store the stuff. :mrgreen:

Yes. The DGP is one of my all time favorites. I call it my desert island strain. :D
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guitartodd77 wrote:
I over purchased.... again. :mrgreen:

Regarding the DGP.... I have plenty from the past two or three batches in my stash. The batch from late June is slower than the batch from mid July. Not a huge delta but it is interesting as to the variations between the batches. I probably should've picked up a little more just for comparison but frankly, I'm running out of places to store the stuff. :mrgreen:

Yes. The DGP is one of my all time favorites. I call it my desert island strain. :D
Haha Desert Island Strain, that could be a good name for a strain actually. I have heard that expression before, you're on that Soultanic Stew MeWe group, aren't you? We should add each other to the buddy list on there.

Yes, the batch variations are indeed something else, I would love to compare either one of those batches to the current one, but I don't have them. From now on, I will start hitting Soul on every restock, best leaf out there. I mean BB's is good too, but this is a new level!
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Theanine wrote:I would love to compare either one of those batches to the current one, but I don't have them. From now on, I will start hitting Soul on every restock, best leaf out there. I mean BB's is good too, but this is a new level!
That sample I gave you with our trade last month was the DGP from late June (the slower batch). I'm interested to hear your comparison between the new batch and the sample I had sent you.
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guitartodd77 wrote:
Theanine wrote:I would love to compare either one of those batches to the current one, but I don't have them. From now on, I will start hitting Soul on every restock, best leaf out there. I mean BB's is good too, but this is a new level!
That sample I gave you with our trade last month was the DGP from late June (the slower batch). I'm interested to hear your comparison between the new batch and the sample I had sent you.
Ahh, you were the one who sent me down this dark path! I forgot where I got that sample! :lol: Thank you for that.

I've already posted a preliminary review, will update it Tomorrow when I get the chance for a full test. Please, check it out:

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My DGP isn't going to arrive until Monday, and I already have a feeling I will be making another purchase before then..... ;)
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conscious_conundrum wrote:My DGP isn't going to arrive until Monday, and I already have a feeling I will be making another purchase before then..... ;)
I have a pretty good feeling I'll be purchasing again this weekend. ;)
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guitartodd77 wrote:
conscious_conundrum wrote:My DGP isn't going to arrive until Monday, and I already have a feeling I will be making another purchase before then..... ;)
I have a pretty good feeling I'll be purchasing again this weekend. ;)
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swablero wrote:
Theanine wrote:
swablero wrote:For everyone who follows Soultanic.com for the small batch leaf, Soul has predictably sold out of out of quite a bit already though there is some nice inventory still available as I think will become apparent when the reviews start rolling in.

But in case anyone planned on ordering right now I want to let everyone know there is a restock being prepared for this weekend.

The for the weekend restock the supplier is Ammo for those who care for such details and this restock is much anticipated particularly for the Supergreen which was really memorable in its last iteration. There is apparently a batch of Super Indo which is apparently worth noting. If anyone is interested in updates on the restock please let me know.

Just to clarify, there are TWO new strains coming up this weekend, Super Green AND Super Indo?

I don't know why I didn't get that Green Thai, I just didn't see it, maybe we could trade some....
Yes the Super Indo and Super Green are not currently in inventory and are coming from a different supplier. The Super Green is much anticipated because of the quality of recent batches. The Super Indo comes with a more historic anticipation as its not always available as I understand it.

(I have green thai coming as I tend to go for th faster strains. but that's a dixussion for PMs.)
For anyone interested, the new inventory will be up on the Soultanic Greenery website, soultanic.com , sometime tonight, Firiday evening probaby after 9PM. All eyes are on the Ammo Super Green but there is bound to be some good summer leaf.
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Re: SOULTANIC GREENERY. Formerly soulistic herbs

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For all of us who might be Curious
I believe there was a mess up on one of the current Strains on the list. Swablero could you please confirm with us all that the Green Brunei is NOT Brunei, Nor is it Green Brunut, but is actually ( Green Bunut )! ***

Just like to clarify.

Despite, I love Green Brunei AND Green Bunut tbh!! :lol:
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Re: SOULTANIC GREENERY. Formerly soulistic herbs

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Payshince wrote:For all of us who might be Curious
I believe there was a mess up on one of the current Strains on the list. Swablero could you please confirm with us all that the Green Brunei is NOT Brunei, Nor is it Green Brunut, but is actually ( Green Bunut )! ***

Just like to clarify.

Despite, I love Green Brunei AND Green Bunut tbh!! :lol:
Yeah I messed up the spelling i had to read it off a pic of a crumbled handwritten strain list and went from Brunei to Brunette and something in between in the end, a rose by any other name. Bunet is in Brunei actually and it sold out fast. It was a new strain and noone knew what to expect. In the end it was a revelation for those who took a chance and what little there was sold out fast.
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Re: SOULTANIC GREENERY. Formerly soulistic herbs

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Damn I totally forgot that he restocked this week. The site is temporarily down due to the volume of recent orders. Does anyone have any insight as to when he will be accepting new orders. Hopefully I dont miss out.
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Damn I totally forgot that he restocked this week. The site is temporarily down due to the volume of recent orders. Does anyone have any insight as to when he will be accepting new orders. Hopefully I dont miss out.
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Re: SOULTANIC GREENERY. Formerly soulistic herbs

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Klubbs wrote:Damn I totally forgot that he restocked this week. The site is temporarily down due to the volume of recent orders. Does anyone have any insight as to when he will be accepting new orders. Hopefully I dont miss out.


Hey Klubbs Nothing definitive but I think the plan is to take orders "on the weekend" sometime. Could be Friday night like last weekend. He hit capacity pretty quick last weekend like 12 hours after he opened.

What will probably happen is he'll inform registered user via email when he's taking orders again. So if you want to know make sure you registered at the site.
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Does anyone have more reviews?
Would love to hear what strains knock it out of the park!
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Greenbelle wrote:Does anyone have more reviews?
Would love to hear what strains knock it out of the park!
Are you talking about the Soultanic? If you only knew how good this stuff is, you might throw away the rest of your stash. This is the micro batch vendor of staggering potency. Yes, I said staggering, literally and figuratively. In ALL of my time with this magical leaf, nothing has been as good as this fare. NOTHING. I would say the Dark Green Pinoh is a must for any collection, but obtaining it is nearly impossible. I have about half a kilo of the most recent batch, and I won't sell or trade it for anything! The absolute best of the best. Honestly, this stuff has just spoiled me rotten, I used to settle for just good mood, now I want Soul mood or nothing! You may say, this guy must be exaggerating or shilling or simply a n00b who has no idea. I am neither of those things, I know my leaf, and I know it well. I have only recently found this treasure, took me a year of dealing with average, bunk or semi bunk leaf, but I am here now, that's all that matters! I can talk about it all day, but trying is believing. Here is the Soultanic review thread that I recently started, because it does deserve its own place, this is not your regular good kratom, this is the ultimate kratom:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=3225&p=30149&hilit=soultanic

I will take on ANYONE who says otherwise, right here, publicly. If there is something better, then show me? Ok, ok maybe, I am willing to concede on that one. Maybe there is someone out there that could come close, maybe so, but nothing will really beat this, I guarantee it. Anyone on here who has tried it is a lifelong customer. The only downside is that after this leaf, you will simply laugh at the rest. And NO, I do not work for them, ask around, I buy from many and remain very objective. When something is THIS good, the words fail to do it justice....
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