Clearing the air on OPMS gold (I know, I know)

[Back2K]

So first things first I know OPMS gold is a “bad brand”, BUT they are AKA GMP certified (as much as any of you care about that. I have had good results with them and Phytoextractum though, both GMP certified. I also know gmp certified co-packers will not except COA from wonderand-labs, even though Keith constantly lies and claims his florascience and WL-Labs is GMP compliant).

I have been playing a dangerous game and using a lot of extract as I am coming off of subs. Been 8 days now. I also know OPMS uses slightly irresponsible marketing and also I can not guarantee it’s unadulterated (nobody can about ANY Kratom product, nor guarantee it’s contaminate free. Real lab testing is stupid expensive, and most of us know wonderland-labs is probably 75% bullshit since it is owned by Keith Cleversely. I do know somebody who has seen some of his facilities though, Kojo Douglass the “Kavasseur”, and he said it IS quite impressive, FWIW)

I ran out of extracts from Phytoextractum and yes Keith himself from Shamansgarden as well. I know you guys think I’m a dumbass for that, but they both work quite well, especially the gold elite tea extract from Phyto. So I grabbed some OPMS today because I was in horrible withdrawal. It’s twice as expensive as online extracts, but the bottom line is, it works. It actually works EXTREMELY well. Just as good as any extract I have had, or better. I feel great from it.

So if nothing else I just wanted to let anyone who would ever need to use it in a pinch or emergency from the headshop that it DOES at least work, VERY good. Now I just need to decide what day I am going through hell and getting off of the extracts. I have 100$ worth of 20x Bali and 160$ worth of gold elite extract coming. But I may end up trading some of it, or just making a slightly enhanced plain leaf to taper into normal plain leaf. I have been playing with fire and I do know I will pay for it.

But, again, I can’t guarantee it’s the best company ever for whatever different reasons, but OPMS gold DOES WORK.

[Back2K]

The effects also feel completely like Kratom but just greatly enhanced over plain leaf. Im pretty sure it at least to me does not feel adulterated and feels like extracted mitragynine, and also contains <1% of 7-hydroxy

[Back2K]

It definitely feels very natural but just concentrated and intense. If anything I’d say I’d almost suspect the Phytoextractum gold elite extract to be more likely to be adulterated, because that stuff makes me feel totally different than just normal kratom extract. The 20x Bali and OPMS gold and gold reserve all feel the same to me, but the gold elite feels different and way more like “other things”, but that’s just my own opinion and experiences.

[BallzDeep9]

I know OPMS gold is a “bad brand”, BUT they are AKA GMP certified (as much as any of you care about that.)

I dunno if anyone thinks its "bad" ? only that its a Retail brand product sold in gas stations and ripoff head shops.

Sure lots of people want a Legal High and thats the OPMS market.. I see these stoners lined up at 7-11 paying 15 or $20 bucks for ONE goddamn serving of OPMS ? Ridiculous. whatever man.. Personally I'd just go find some oxy or fent or black tar lots cheaper these days ?? Do the Math.. here I will give U online sources: Legal Herb Shop, and Greg's Botanicals in Tampa - Thank You for posting, its def a discussion we should have!

Anyone have experience with these AKA GMP "drug products" and .. How do they compare to real Kratom?

https://gregsbotanical.com/kratom/produ ... -capsules/

[Slippy]

I might be bias since I got off of suboxone by using OPMS gold, but the fact is for the first 3-4 days normal leaf just didn't touch the withdrawals. The fact is it is absurdly expensive, but it is very strong and does work. I was lucky enough to find a gas station that sold the 5 packs for 28$, which although expensive, is still 10-15$ cheaper than most places. My only advice would be to use them for only as long as you really need to, because it will ruin the potency of even the best leaf due to tolerance, and just using extracts can become a more expensive habit then being on opiates. I personally don't see anything wrong with people who want to treat themselves to a strong extract on occasion and have a little extra money to spend. When it comes to withdrawals those OPMS caps really can be a godsend.

[Back2K]

I might be bias since I got off of suboxone by using OPMS gold, but the fact is for the first 3-4 days normal leaf just didn't touch the withdrawals. The fact is it is absurdly expensive, but it is very strong and does work. I was lucky enough to find a gas station that sold the 5 packs for 28$, which although expensive, is still 10-15$ cheaper than most places. My only advice would be to use them for only as long as you really need to, because it will ruin the potency of even the best leaf due to tolerance, and just using extracts can become a more expensive habit then being on opiates. I personally don't see anything wrong with people who want to treat themselves to a strong extract on occasion and have a little extra money to spend. When it comes to withdrawals those OPMS caps really can be a godsend.

Thank you... I’m coming off suboxone too. I took two OPMS yesterday and it was a mistake. I’m sticking to one today, and then switching to the cheaper but almost just as good Phytoextractum gold elite tablets and capsules, and going to take one a day with 2 grams of real kratom, and only dose once, and take Kava at night.

[Back2K]

I might be bias since I got off of suboxone by using OPMS gold, but the fact is for the first 3-4 days normal leaf just didn't touch the withdrawals. The fact is it is absurdly expensive, but it is very strong and does work. I was lucky enough to find a gas station that sold the 5 packs for 28$, which although expensive, is still 10-15$ cheaper than most places. My only advice would be to use them for only as long as you really need to, because it will ruin the potency of even the best leaf due to tolerance, and just using extracts can become a more expensive habit then being on opiates. I personally don't see anything wrong with people who want to treat themselves to a strong extract on occasion and have a little extra money to spend. When it comes to withdrawals those OPMS caps really can be a godsend.

Thank you for your input! I definitely have a lot of “real” kratom as well, and I used plain leaf exclusively for 3 years back from 2011-2014. I just need to dose once now if I use a little extract with my plain leaf, when plain leaf by itself is doing not enough, and also needing to redose constantly. That will probably ruin my tolerance faster than the extract actually lasting all day. And only dosing Kratom once, then Kava in the evening now seems to be my
New method that works well for me.

Coming off of subs really is a bitch, and I have found it to almost be getting worse each day, but today finally feels like an improvement over yesterday!

I also have a scale coming, and I’m going to experiment with 3 gram and 4 gram ACCURATE doses of plain leaf Kratom with no extract, or only 250 mg instead of 850.

[drunkratom]

I've found phytoextractums extracts to be extremely similar to OPMS. If you pour you opms capsule into your tea, it behaves exactly like the phytoextractum. Its really hydrophobic and likes to clump. The effect is about the same.
I've tried the gold elite, gold reserve, and platinum. All 3 are about the same. Doesn't seem to be much difference in effect. Im not sure if its worth it for the platinum, its only a little bit stronger.
They also make my throat numb a little bit when ever ive taken them in tea. It reminds me of kava. Its weird, very rarely plain leaf does it a little bit as well. Does anyone else get the numb throat thing??

Warning though, i just ran out of the extract. My tolerance has shot way up. I dont really feel w/d when I wake up, but I do now. I have to take 1.5-2x my normal leaf dose. It sucks. I dont recommend extracts.

[Back2K]

I've found phytoextractums extracts to be extremely similar to OPMS. If you pour you opms capsule into your tea, it behaves exactly like the phytoextractum. Its really hydrophobic and likes to clump. The effect is about the same.
I've tried the gold elite, gold reserve, and platinum. All 3 are about the same. Doesn't seem to be much difference in effect. Im not sure if its worth it for the platinum, its only a little bit stronger.
They also make my throat numb a little bit when ever ive taken them in tea. It reminds me of kava. Its weird, very rarely plain leaf does it a little bit as well. Does anyone else get the numb throat thing??

Warning though, i just ran out of the extract. My tolerance has shot way up. I dont really feel w/d when I wake up, but I do now. I have to take 1.5-2x my normal leaf dose. It sucks. I dont recommend extracts.

Yes all of the phyto extracts are about the same, but I find the gold elite the best by a small margin, better than gold reseve or even slightly more expensive Platinum reserve. All three are within 2-3$ of each other anyway. I think OPMS is the best, then the gold elite from Phyto is 90% as good but half the price.

Tomorrow Im going to try to get by on plain leaf and see what happens. Scale is getting delivered tomorrow too... yay!

[mivanqua]

OPMS works fine. I don't think its adulterated either. The problem, for me personally speaking, is that OPMS is too much like an opiate agonist and in my eyes, it's cheating. For ME, that is. When I've done those extract shots, I feel like I took something MUCH stronger. I even get nausea from those shots.
If you need it right now to get off of subs, then you need them. It's that simple. Subs are a bitch to quit and one should use whatever resources are available. OPMS extract fits this bill. Just be cautious. We all know that headshop owner who talks of the 10 OPMS extracts a day customers. They are very addictive (why wouldn't they be?) and people can go nowhere FAST with those things so just keep a tight rein on your usage and quit using them the second that you are able. My two cents for what it's worth. Good luck and lots of us here have been in your shoes (not necessarily subs specifically, although I'm sure some of us have, but more refereing to opiates in general.) Don't hesitate to reach out if you're feeling low and/or need a little support. We are not here to judge you, as you are making an excellent life choice. We are, instead, here to help whenever possible.
One of my best childhood friends (he recently moved to your city, hippie) Tried to ditch his IV heroin habit with subs scored illicitly. That part of the plan worked, of course, but then he found himself hopelessly addicted to subs. He then used HEROIN to ween himself off of the subs, and then microdose subs to get back off of the heroin. This is BACKWARDS AS FUCK. but its what he had to do, and now as far as I am aware, he's clean and only uses kratom. Subs SHOULD NOT be like this. The underlying agenda is WAAAAAAY too transparent. They kinda messed that one up, but subs are one of their cash cows, so I'm sure they couldn't care less.

[Back2K]

OPMS works fine. I don't think its adulterated either. The problem, for me personally speaking, is that OPMS is too much like an opiate agonist and in my eyes, it's cheating. For ME, that is. When I've done those extract shots, I feel like I took something MUCH stronger. I even get nausea from those shots.
If you need it right now to get off of subs, then you need them. It's that simple. Subs are a bitch to quit and one should use whatever resources are available. OPMS extract fits this bill. Just be cautious. We all know that headshop owner who talks of the 10 OPMS extracts a day customers. They are very addictive (why wouldn't they be?) and people can go nowhere FAST with those things so just keep a tight rein on your usage and quit using them the second that you are able. My two cents for what it's worth. Good luck and lots of us here have been in your shoes (not necessarily subs specifically, although I'm sure some of us have, but more refereing to opiates in general.) Don't hesitate to reach out if you're feeling low and/or need a little support. We are not here to judge you, as you are making an excellent life choice. We are, instead, here to help whenever possible.
One of my best childhood friends (he recently moved to your city, hippie) Tried to ditch his IV heroin habit with subs scored illicitly. That part of the plan worked, of course, but then he found himself hopelessly addicted to subs. He then used HEROIN to ween himself off of the subs, and then microdose subs to get back off of the heroin. This is BACKWARDS AS FUCK. but its what he had to do, and now as far as I am aware, he's clean and only uses kratom. Subs SHOULD NOT be like this. The underlying agenda is WAAAAAAY too transparent. They kinda messed that one up, but subs are one of their cash cows, so I'm sure they couldn't care less.

Thank you!! And yeah me being on suboxone for 3.5 years seemed a little bit freaking much and irresponsible
of the doctors, but it’s still partially my fault to be honest.

I appreciate everything you said

[Bubba]

I was on subs this last time for almost 8 years and definitely used some OPMS Gold in the beginning. Nothing really worked extremely well besides the Golds up until I found PMD from BB.

And just to note... The Golds definitely stopped working very well the more that I used it. I’m not sure if it’s because of the Quick tolerance or the bad withdrawals, but they definitely stopped doing the trick rather quickly.

[AtticusFinch80]

You can say goodbye to the Suboxone life, you've got this.

I was on Subs for a little over 10 year's, and I just got to the point where I wanted off and my doctor was really dragging his feet on it. A friend of mine whose battled herion addiction for years kept telling me that Kratom could be a possible way out of the suboxone cycle. I had many, many doubts. I had tried to get off the them cold turkey at 2 years, 5 years, 8 years and then finally after 10 years and 4 months, I jumped off them.

I was on 8mg a day for a tad over a decade, and knocked myself down to between 4-6mgs a day when I jumped. I was gonna try and get myself tapered down super low, but my gut told me it was time to give it a try.

I'm not going to bash OPMS Gold, and I was kind of a defender of them myself when first getting off the subs. Hear me out tho (please), they will eventually put your balls in a vice tho. I had some very experienced and knowledgeable friends who stepped in and helped me realize that most extracts in the beginning will do more harm than good.

I got on here, Reddit, and asked others for the best places to order HIGH QUALITY leaf online, and in time and after some bummer moments, I got it all panned out, and I am pretty suprised (and extremely grateful) that I've been off subs totally since 10/09/18.

From what I've learned, doesn't so much matter in the long run how high the dose is when you decide to try and get off suboxone. Sure, I think I would have had it a tad bit easier had I been a little more patient, but I have no regrets. In the first 3-4 months of taking Kratom I found that around 8-9 grams 3-4 times a day of a good red can help you out an incredible amount. Kratom isn't gonna make your suboxone situation a total walk in the park, but it will give you that help you need to keep walking in a direction that's better for you.

One last thing, if you do decide that extract is the best thing for you, then I and others on this forum can point you to some much better quality that will also save you a truck load of money.

You do what works best for you and where you wanna get yourself. I'm just throwing in my experience, because there was damn near none when I made the decision. Now, it's easier to find more people you can talk to and get advice from.

You've got this!! I'm personally proud of you, and I absolutely understand the struggle with Subs. For me, it wasn't some type of legal high I was prescribed, but my body became brutally dependent on it. Shoot me a DM if you need anything at all!