Ideas for other botanicals to use in place of kratom?

[Thayden102]

Hi guys. Last night was my last burn. Super bummed about it but I suppose it will give me some insight into what other botanicals offer. I've used kava for a couple years so I have that one pretty down pat. Thanks in advance everyone! I real lo y appreciate your knowledge.

[BallzDeep9]

Last night was my last burn. Super bummed about it ...

Not to pry into your personal situation, but wOw. That's a Lot of different "strains" there on Trading Post!

Kratom is Kratom, bottom line - Nothing else really like it... Everyone (around here anyway) knows the "strains" are mostly BS, but, we still LOVE getting new batches.. I'm as guilty as anyone. I'm lucky to have a tiny network of friends & family to help consume the stuff!

I WAS just reading some Reddit posts by u/Rez-Chef .. the vendor known as: All Natural Artisan. A great vendor who never gets mention on MM, 'cuz everyone here is busy on MeWe... anyway, Rez was saying that - Incarvillea Sinensis, is "underrated" for a botanical with decent pain relief - And, the Akumma plant is kind of "overrated", effects are so mild, it really doesn't do much.

I enjoy real Korean Panax Red Ginseng - I buy from Chinese herbal shop & chew the sliced root, for energy. But.... it's nothing like Kratom!

[Thayden102]

Last night was my last burn. Super bummed about it ...

Not to pry into your personal situation, but wOw. That's a Lot of different "strains" there on Trading Post!

Kratom is Kratom, bottom line - Nothing else really like it... Everyone (around here anyway) knows the "strains" are mostly BS, but, we still LOVE getting new batches.. I'm as guilty as anyone. I'm lucky to have a tiny network of friends & family to help consume the stuff!

I WAS just reading some Reddit posts by u/Rez-Chef .. the vendor known as: All Natural Artisan. A great vendor who never gets mention on MM, 'cuz everyone here is busy on MeWe... anyway, Rez was saying that - Incarvillea Sinensis, is "underrated" for a botanical with decent pain relief - And, the Akumma plant is kind of "overrated", effects are so mild, it really doesn't do much.

I enjoy real Korean Panax Red Ginseng - I buy from Chinese herbal shop & chew the sliced root, for energy. But.... it's nothing like Kratom!

Yea, I fell in love with kratom instantly. I did a lot of research and met some great people on the way. I would not be giving it up if absolutely didnt have to. It is more than a feeling. More than helpful for so many things. I love the community, the enjoyment of finding what I've been looking for, opening the mailbox. I am not able to take ANY substance they can test for. Including the benadryl or sudafed I give my daughter or ativan that calms my attacks. I was so greatful to have found this plant. When I started I had no idea it would help me in so many ways.

There is a ton of "stains" up there. Hoping to find a new home.

Trying to to find some things that can again help with energy, sleep, mood, anxiety and pain.
I will check out that panax ginsing, it may prove helpful. I have akkuma on the way. Incarvillea sinensis I've never heard of, I will look into this also.

Thank you kindly,
Best Wishes,
Tiff

[Sassysquatch]

Last night was my last burn. Super bummed about it ...

Trying to to find some things that can again help with energy, sleep, mood, anxiety and pain.

Hey Tiff,

How are you doing today? Hopefully you won’t have any withdrawals or they won’t be too severe. What gets me is the restless legs - or arms in my case. I’ve found that for me, Hirsuta is a great alternative when I’m taking time off. In fact, today I was singing and dancing while doing the dishes! Great mood lift for me. My current batch is Smiley’s. Rhino had the BEST Hirsuta but ran out, darn it. Denette still has it on their menu and I’m waiting for my order so I can’t say how good it is yet.

Anyway, please keep us posted on how you’re doing. I’m sorry you have to stop taking it. It really is an amazing plant.

[Thayden102]

Last night was my last burn. Super bummed about it ...

Trying to to find some things that can again help with energy, sleep, mood, anxiety and pain.

Hey Tiff,

How are you doing today? Hopefully you won’t have any withdrawals or they won’t be too severe. What gets me is the restless legs - or arms in my case. I’ve found that for me, Hirsuta is a great alternative when I’m taking time off. In fact, today I was singing and dancing while doing the dishes! Great mood lift for me. My current batch is Smiley’s. Rhino had the BEST Hirsuta but ran out, darn it. Denette still has it on their menu and I’m waiting for my order so I can’t say how good it is yet.

Anyway, please keep us posted on how you’re doing. I’m sorry you have to stop taking it. It really is an amazing plant.

Thank you! I am getting the restless arms but all and all not too bad. Super emotional, feeling blah, and have absolutely no energy. Apparently what they test fornin kratom is also molecules in hirsuta. I have some and cannot take that either. Thanks for thinking of me. Super appreciated.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Are you being watched during your tests? It really sucks you have to stop taking kratom.

Maca can be a nice energy boost. St. John's Wort is a good natural MAOI. Scullcap and Passionflower are nice for relaxation. I'm sure you know about kava kava (and maybe the rest too). Together those might help fill the void kratom left. Please be careful about interactions. St John's Wort and Passionflower may not play well together.

[Lokey]

I WAS just reading some Reddit posts by u/Rez-Chef .. the vendor known as: All Natural Artisan. A great vendor who never gets mention on MM, 'cuz everyone here is busy on MeWe... anyway, Rez was saying that - Incarvillea Sinensis, is "underrated" for a botanical with decent pain relief - And, the Akumma plant is kind of "overrated", effects are so mild, it really doesn't do much.

Interesting! All Natural Artisans was one of the first of several vendors I tried samples from and they were very helpful in answering questions. They included samples of Akkuamma, Incarvillea Sinensis and extract with my kratom purchase. I'm interested in checking out the Reddit group, I am in r/kratom but not an experienced Reddit user. I joined MeWe but don't really get it. I still am not sure how to use the Akkuamma and Incarvillea, I think I mixed just a little in with some kratom to see if it would help with pain but didn't notice a big difference. Just yesterday, while digging out some old stuff to try again after over a year that didn't seem to work so well back then, I ran across a larger bag of unopened Incarvillea I got from Insense Botanicals. I'm going to have to research Incarvillea again. I also have premium Hirsuta and Javanica from Benni's but I'm not sure where it is, I have to find it! Benni has a sale on premium Hirsuta if anyone's interested, $13.30 for 100 grams and 16 left. I have only tried the Hirsuta and Javanica a couple times and have not tried it often enough to know how it helps.

[Thayden102]

Are you being watched during your tests? It really sucks you have to stop taking kratom.

Maca can be a nice energy boost. St. John's Wort is a good natural MAOI. Scullcap and Passionflower are nice for relaxation. I'm sure you know about kava kava (and maybe the rest too). Together those might help fill the void kratom left. Please be careful about interactions. St John's Wort and Passionflower may not play well together.

Thank you for responding. I'm only watched occasionally, totally random if it says observed or not. It's pretty rare actually. I tried maca today and didnt notice anything. I'm nervous for SJW because I take zoloft. I am drinking the hell out of some kava now, lol. I'm about to try mulungu for the first time tonight. Really the mood and energy are my biggest struggles.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I'm about to try mulungu for the first time tonight. Really the mood and energy are my biggest struggles.

Let us know about your mulungu experience, this is the first time I've heard of the stuff.

[Babel-17]

I've bought some other botanicals from In Sense Botanicals, and also from Amazon, some in bulk powder, some not.

The amino acids Theanine (it's safe, but taking a lot more than recommended can give you a headache), and DLPA (it's subtle, though helpful when certain amino acids have been in short supply), are also worth mentioning, imo, and they too can be bought in the powdered form.

I just received a week ago my order of both Incarvillea Sinensis and Valerian Root extract from In Sense Botanicals (they had a sale on Botanicals). In the past I've bought, and still use, their Skullcap and Corydalis. I want to point out how nice it is that even though their prices are excellent, they still give close to their bulk price for even the smallest purchase sizes.

Some of what they sell I buy from Amazon because you can buy by the kilo there, or there are a few sweet deals if you look for them, and get the extra 15% off plus free shipping by way of Subscribe and Save, which I have.

From Amazon I get Ginger Root extract in bulk form, Theanine, DLPA, Passion Flower extract, and Lemon Balm extract, also in bulk form. Lol, Amazon knows my buying habits, and recently alerted me to a Lightning Deal on Black Seed Oil. I also use(d) Cat's Claw*, Uncaria Tomentosa)* Ginkgo Balboa, and Life Extension's Comfort Max, which has Palmitoylethanolamide (PEA), and Honkiol, from Magnolia Bark extract, in the nighttime side of the two sided blister pack it comes in.

Rhodiola Rosea (mine is standardized for salidrosides) can be a potent adaptogenic, and provide a good boost.

Lol, right, I also have Magnolia Bark extract.

Some supplements, like forms of Magnesium, can also be of use when switching from using Kratom, as they might aid in sleeping, and mood.

*I'm currently not taking Cat's Claw as I cycle my supplements, and some of what's in it is also in Kratom, and Hirsuta, which I sometimes uses as part of a blend.

[Babel-17]

Are you being watched during your tests? It really sucks you have to stop taking kratom.

Maca can be a nice energy boost. St. John's Wort is a good natural MAOI. Scullcap and Passionflower are nice for relaxation. I'm sure you know about kava kava (and maybe the rest too). Together those might help fill the void kratom left. Please be careful about interactions. St John's Wort and Passionflower may not play well together.

Good post, and a helpful warning about SJW, which can be great, but should be used with caution. The TV show VEEP had an extremely funny, but cautionary, episode about mixing SJW with other substances.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/e ... story.html

One upon a time the following site had a forum that was a mecca for SJW users. It's been retired, but the site's founder still keeps the useful information available to the public.

https://sjwinfo.org/

[K-fox]

I've bought some other botanicals from In Sense Botanicals, and also from Amazon, some in bulk powder, some not.

The amino acids Theanine (it's safe, but taking a lot more than recommended can give you a headache), and DLPA (it's subtle, though helpful when certain amino acids have been in short supply), are also worth mentioning, imo, and they too can be bought in the powdered form.

I just received a week ago my order of both Incarvillea Sinensis and Valerian Root extract from In Sense Botanicals (they had a sale on Botanicals). In the past I've bought, and still use, their Skullcap and Corydalis. I want to point out how nice it is that even though their prices are excellent, they still give close to their bulk price for even the smallest purchase sizes.

Some of what they sell I buy from Amazon because you can buy by the kilo there, or there are a few sweet deals if you look for them, and get the extra 15% off plus free shipping by way of Subscribe and Save, which I have.

From Amazon I get Ginger Root extract in bulk form, Theanine, DLPA, Passion Flower extract, and Lemon Balm extract, also in bulk form. Lol, Amazon knows my buying habits, and recently alerted me to a Lightning Deal on Black Seed Oil. I also use(d) Cat's Claw*, Uncaria Tomentosa)* Ginkgo Balboa, and Life Extension's Comfort Max, which has Palmitoylethanolamide (PEA), and Honkiol, from Magnolia Bark extract, in the nighttime side of the two sided blister pack it comes in.

Rhodiola Rosea (mine is standardized for salidrosides) can be a potent adaptogenic, and provide a good boost.

Lol, right, I also have Magnolia Bark extract.

Some supplements, like forms of Magnesium, can also be of use when switching from using Kratom, as they might aid in sleeping, and mood.

*I'm currently not taking Cat's Claw as I cycle my supplements, and some of what's in it is also in Kratom, and Hirsuta, which I sometimes uses as part of a blend.

Have you tried Chinese Cat’s Claw? Uncaria Rhynchophylla. Much more like kratom than the Tomentosa. It’s very relaxing and hypnotic like a mellow red vein without the mitra.

[Babel-17]

Have you tried Chinese Cat’s Claw? Uncaria Rhynchophylla. Much more like kratom than the Tomentosa. It’s very relaxing and hypnotic like a mellow red vein without the mitra.

Good to know, thanks. It's the Uncaria Guianesis that sometimes people buy by mistake, and while it has its benefits, it lacks isopterodine, which in his book on supplements Dr. Atkins called among the most helpful of elements of Uncaria Tomentosa. Funny enough, it can also be in Kratom, at least according to this link.

https://worldmedassist.com/white-vein-kratom/

I'll look into the one you refer to, it sounds fascinating!

[PistolsAtDawn]

Good post, and a helpful warning about SJW, which can be great, but should be used with caution. The TV show VEEP had an extremely funny, but cautionary, episode about mixing SJW with other substances.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/e ... story.html

No exaggeration, it's one of favorite TV shows. I've watched it start to finish at least 10 times! Great reference!

[K-fox]

Have you tried Chinese Cat’s Claw? Uncaria Rhynchophylla. Much more like kratom than the Tomentosa. It’s very relaxing and hypnotic like a mellow red vein without the mitra.

Good to know, thanks. It's the Uncaria Guianesis that sometimes people buy by mistake, and while it has its benefits, it lacks isopterodine, which in his book on supplements Dr. Atkins called among the most helpful of elements of Uncaria Tomentosa. Funny enough, it can also be in Kratom, at least according to this link.

https://worldmedassist.com/white-vein-kratom/

I'll look into the one you refer to, it sounds fascinating!

Interesting. I haven’t heard of that Guianesis one. The Chinese is more of a sedative, muscle relaxer, and a vasodilator, I believe. It’s main alkaloid is also in kratom.

[Babel-17]

Good post, and a helpful warning about SJW, which can be great, but should be used with caution. The TV show VEEP had an extremely funny, but cautionary, episode about mixing SJW with other substances.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/e ... story.html

No exaggeration, it's one of favorite TV shows. I've watched it start to finish at least 10 times! Great reference!

I guess you've seen In the Loop, which was made by the VEEP's creators and also stars the VEEP's Anna Chlumsky? She plays a similar role in the film In the Loop. It's worth it just for the scene where James Gandolfini's character goes up against Malcolm from The Thick of It, the British show which is also by the people who made VEEP. Funny enough, the two got along really well off camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySD0u4RXXcI

[PistolsAtDawn]

I guess you've seen In the Loop, which was made by the VEEP's creators and also stars the VEEP's Anna Chlumsky? She plays a similar role in the film In the Loop. It's worth it just for the scene where James Gandolfini's character goes up against Malcolm from The Thick of It, the British show which is also by the people who made VEEP. Funny enough, the two got along really well off camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySD0u4RXXcI

I have not, actually, but I will check that out! Thanks!

[BosLuv]

Others may have already mentioned Dlpa which might be a supplement of use for you to look into. Another that I am heard of from clp others who found it to be a welcomed addition to their routines but I havent personally tried is a power supplement mix so you will also want to look into more for yourself to be sure the ingredients don’t happen to include something that can show up by chance on you… hopefully remember the spelling correctly lol: think name is elimidrol or very close to that and I do know they did offer in one for the a.m. as well as the p.m. Not sure if holds true still but did know they are only available through the manufactures own website- that may be different now but I can ask someone I know who orders it if you’d like

I heard and read of others that it helps reduce some of the typical symptoms of withdrawals in those which are no longer using alcohol and/or drugs(both prescription & not) which may be of similar help with needing to stop kratom use- again just a suggestion that will of course need further research.

Though I can’t personally say on its use/benefits I figured wld at least mention it to you and if it’s an option that fits within your personal situation. I too struggle with many of the same so you know there are others still here regardless of your kratom use or not. Just wanted to say that cause many times the struggle of anxiety and other conditions can feel; well, lonely and when your trying to find relief adding on is the last thing one wants to do! I wish you the best on your newest journey and hope you soon discover that of what will help to provide relief for you personally. Best wishes

[Thayden102]

Others may have already mentioned Dlpa which might be a supplement of use for you to look into. Another that I am heard of from clp others who found it to be a welcomed addition to their routines but I havent personally tried is a power supplement mix so you will also want to look into more for yourself to be sure the ingredients don’t happen to include something that can show up by chance on you… hopefully remember the spelling correctly lol: think name is elimidrol or very close to that and I do know they did offer in one for the a.m. as well as the p.m. Not sure if holds true still but did know they are only available through the manufactures own website- that may be different now but I can ask someone I know who orders it if you’d like

I heard and read of others that it helps reduce some of the typical symptoms of withdrawals in those which are no longer using alcohol and/or drugs(both prescription & not) which may be of similar help with needing to stop kratom use- again just a suggestion that will of course need further research.

Though I can’t personally say on its use/benefits I figured wld at least mention it to you and if it’s an option that fits within your personal situation. I too struggle with many of the same so you know there are others still here regardless of your kratom use or not. Just wanted to say that cause many times the struggle of anxiety and other conditions can feel; well, lonely and when your trying to find relief adding on is the last thing one wants to do! I wish you the best on your newest journey and hope you soon discover that of what will help to provide relief for you personally. Best wishes

Thank you truly for the kind words