Un-Official Ethanol Thread

[StringThing]

This thread is for discussing anything ethanol related.

Today I bought a Twisted Iced Tea in Mango flavor. It was not that good and I wish I'd gotten the regular. I think all of their flavored drinks are worse than the regular. The fruity flavors are just so artificial and one dimensional. Like kid's candy almost.

Also got a bottle of Black Velvet which is my go-to cheap brand besides Evan Williams. Used to hate Canadian whiskey but I'm becoming a fan.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I'm a dry drunk. Taking kratom on a regular or semi-regular basis kills the craving to drink, though I still love the numb/happy feeling of being tanked.

[StringThing]

I'm a dry drunk. Taking kratom on a regular or semi-regular basis kills the craving to drink, though I still love the numb/happy feeling of being tanked.

I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

[ba2000]

I'm a dry drunk. Taking kratom on a regular or semi-regular basis kills the craving to drink, though I still love the numb/happy feeling of being tanked.

I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

Stop being a dick. I quit a heavy alcohol habit with krat and without switching to .... meth?! Meth?

[StringThing]

I'm a dry drunk. Taking kratom on a regular or semi-regular basis kills the craving to drink, though I still love the numb/happy feeling of being tanked.

I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

Stop being a dick. I quit a heavy alcohol habit with krat and without switching to .... meth?! Meth?

So what? It's still just replacing one drug for another. Kratom is definitely a better choice than a lot of things but it only 'cures cravings' because its a drug.

[ba2000]

I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

Stop being a dick. I quit a heavy alcohol habit with krat and without switching to .... meth?! Meth?

So what? It's still just replacing one drug for another. Kratom is definitely a better choice than a lot of things but it only 'cures cravings' because its a drug.

Ok. That's fair. You're still being a dick, dude. I've been there- chill.

[MycatTimmy]

Hey Friend I don’t think he’s being a dick. At least from my perspective he isn’t.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

I stand corrected; I speak from personal experience and only for myself, not saying kratom is a panacea. I should have said ' Taking kratom on a regular or semi-regular basis kills the craving to drink FOR ME, though I still love the numb/happy feeling of being tanked.'

Kratom makes me cheerful and improves my attitude, and a poor attitude contributed a lot to my problems and desire to drink all the time.

All drugs DO NOT take away the desire for other drugs... Some drugs go hand in hand with each other! At least in my personal experience and the peeps I used with.

[e_poison]

I used to be a heavy beer drinker from my 20s through mid 30s. These days though, I mostly just drink on holidays or at social events. I haven't even touched a drop since my bday in March. I could say it's the kratom, but I think it's more of a combination of several things.

The kratom itself + the desire to get smashed just lessened with me as I got older + most of my drinking buddies have started families/careers and left the partying days behind.

But when I do drink I love pale ales and lighter beers. Never was a fan of heavy/dark beers or drinking syrup like Guinness lol. Nor do I drink hard liquor. I stay away from hard liquor all together. Won't touch the stuff.

[ba2000]

Hey Friend I don’t think he’s being a dick. At least from my perspective he isn’t.

For real? I felt like this was straight trolling.

[Fallguy]

Hey Friend I don’t think he’s being a dick. At least from my perspective he isn’t.

For real? I felt like this was straight trolling.

Agreed

[MycatTimmy]

Oh no I’ve found StringThing to be a very helpful and knowledgeable member of the forum. And what he’s saying is essentially the truth. We are replacing one drug with another. Mitra is a much much safer substance than alcohol. If you agree to the premise that all mood altering substances are a drug, like caffeine, tobacco and marijuana then how can you disagree with him ?
I take Kratom for pain but was tickled pink to find myself no longer craving alcohol, at least not in any significant amount. But I’m not kidding myself. I know that if I quit taking Kratom then I’d be right back in the bottle again. Alcoholism is not something that’s curable, but it can be manageable

[ba2000]

Oh no I’ve found StringThing to be a very helpful and knowledgeable member of the forum. And what he’s saying is essentially the truth. We are replacing one drug with another. Mitra is a much much safer substance than alcohol. If you agree to the premise that all mood altering substances are a drug, like caffeine, tobacco and marijuana then how can you disagree with him ?
I take Kratom for pain but was tickled pink to find myself no longer craving alcohol, at least not in any significant amount. But I’m not kidding myself. I know that if I quit taking Kratom then I’d be right back in the bottle again. Alcoholism is not something that’s curable, but it can be manageable

Yeah, I agree with his premise but not his delivery. We all are trying to cope. we don't need a holes judging us.

[DittonW]

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I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

not magical maybe , but confirmed with scientific studies . https://erowid.org/references/texts/show/9064docid7830

I don't have time for an eloquent and sourced reply here, but thats never stopped me from firing off a cut and paste hatchet job before . This has been covered here many times . There is enough here for anyone to get a grasp on why anecdotal reports , A LOT OF THEM, report that taking kratom relieves the craving for alcohol and opiates.
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Kratom contains natural opioid antagonist. Naltrexone is used to treat alcohol and opiate dependence because the opioid antogonist reduces craving and euphoria by selectively blocking some of the opioid receptors .Mitragynine is an antagonist at the delta and kappa opioid receptors, unlike Morphine which is an agonist at the delta and kappa opioid receptors. Essentially, whereas Morphine fully activates the mu, delta, and kappa opioid receptors, Mitragynine only partially activates the mu opioid receptor while blocking the delta and kappa opioid receptors, Paynantheine, Speciociliatine, and Speciogynine bind to and block the mu opioid receptor, inhibiting the ability of Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine to bind to and activate the mu opioid receptor.

If you look at all into why Naltrexone is prescribed to help people quit drinking alcohol and then look at the similarity in the antagonist properties of kratom and naltrexone , then you start to get an idea why so many people are saying that kratom reduced or eliminated their cravings for alcohol. The role kratom plays in reducing craving for dangerous and destructive drugs deserves more study and attention. for a lot of people its the most valuable component of kratom consumption ,

There is a subjective variable . that I have talked about before . But , unless you have had a history of alcohol abuse it might be hard to understand the subtle (and profound) difference between - replacing alcohol with another drug vs. not having cravings for alcohol
There are hundred if not thousands of anecdotal reports from long time alcoholics who attest that there is a difference,

sidenote regarding your meth comment - I have replaced alcohol with methamphetamines before . If you know people who gave up alcohol and instead take meth every day , good on them . But I think it is pretty common knowledge that and common sense that for most people taking meth every day is not part of a healthy or constructive lifestyle . the people you know may be outliers. It happens . But to casually suggest that using meth to quite drinking alcohol in any way resemble the choices or the experience or people who have been able to quit drinking by "substituting" kratom, is just silly . Even if you disregard all the evidence about antagonists - on a harm reduction front the comparison makes absolutely no sense. And you should expect people to respond as if you were trolling .


Since there are few controlled studies related to alcohol and opiate dependence in regard to consuming kratom , anecdotal stories are what we have . And we have A LOT of them reporting that taking kratom reduced their urges to drink alcohol and helped manage their alcohol consumption.


( cops have been coming across "kratom houses" though, very similar to meth houses . . People wander in and out with their aeropress clenched tightly in their hand . Fights break out around the freezer when someone needs a quick red bubble fix and someone already drank theirs. a line of kratom freaks waiting at the mailbox every Monday morning with a stark and depraved look in their eyes)

[StringThing]

Oh no I’ve found StringThing to be a very helpful and knowledgeable member of the forum. And what he’s saying is essentially the truth. We are replacing one drug with another. Mitra is a much much safer substance than alcohol. If you agree to the premise that all mood altering substances are a drug, like caffeine, tobacco and marijuana then how can you disagree with him ?
I take Kratom for pain but was tickled pink to find myself no longer craving alcohol, at least not in any significant amount. But I’m not kidding myself. I know that if I quit taking Kratom then I’d be right back in the bottle again. Alcoholism is not something that’s curable, but it can be manageable

Yeah, I agree with his premise but not his delivery. We all are trying to cope. we don't need a holes judging us.

If you feel judged by honest discussion about addiction then it was unintentional. I'm not sitting here name calling people or insulting anyone. I am giving my honest thoughts on addiction. I don't believe anyone who makes the claim that kratom has magical addiction curing properties because there is no science I've seen that can back up claims like that. And even if there were, my guess is that it would not be addiction killing in the same way that something like Naltrexone or LSD is, where there is actual observable pharmacological action to fight addiction, or therapeutic effects that last well beyond the scope of the drug's duration. THAT is real addiction killing power that has been repeatedly observed in a scientific setting. Not just developing healthier drug habits like most of us do with kratom.

I think the phrasing is important because I've seen people believe some wild stuff online due to misunderstandings like this. Not super uncommon to see on r/kratom that someone will become dependent without realizing kratom caused dependency. Pretty sad. I wouldn't want anyone to read about kratom 'killing cravings' and think it might work the same way with alcohol as it does with opiates. Like, yeah, it might help an alcoholic. But obviously an alcoholic vs an opioid addict would be using kratom as entirely different tools and that difference should be recognized.

[StringThing]

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I don't believe anyone who makes claims like that. All drugs help cure cravings of other drugs. Using kratom to quit alcohol is no different than using anything else. I know people who have quit drinking with methamphetamines and maintained a habit that works for them. Kratom doesn't have some magical addiction killing property.

not magical maybe , but confirmed with scientific studies . https://erowid.org/references/texts/show/9064docid7830

I don't have time for an eloquent and sourced reply here, but thats never stopped me from firing off a cut and paste hatchet job before . This has been covered here many times . There is enough here for anyone to get a grasp on why anecdotal reports , A LOT OF THEM, report that taking kratom relieves the craving for alcohol and opiates.
.
Kratom contains natural opioid antagonist. Naltrexone is used to treat alcohol and opiate dependence because the opioid antogonist reduces craving and euphoria by selectively blocking some of the opioid receptors .Mitragynine is an antagonist at the delta and kappa opioid receptors, unlike Morphine which is an agonist at the delta and kappa opioid receptors. Essentially, whereas Morphine fully activates the mu, delta, and kappa opioid receptors, Mitragynine only partially activates the mu opioid receptor while blocking the delta and kappa opioid receptors, Paynantheine, Speciociliatine, and Speciogynine bind to and block the mu opioid receptor, inhibiting the ability of Mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine to bind to and activate the mu opioid receptor.

If you look at all into why Naltrexone is prescribed to help people quit drinking alcohol and then look at the similarity in the antagonist properties of kratom and naltrexone , then you start to get an idea why so many people are saying that kratom reduced or eliminated their cravings for alcohol. The role kratom plays in reducing craving for dangerous and destructive drugs deserves more study and attention. for a lot of people its the most valuable component of kratom consumption ,

There is a subjective variable . that I have talked about before . But , unless you have had a history of alcohol abuse it might be hard to understand the subtle (and profound) difference between - replacing alcohol with another drug vs. not having cravings for alcohol
There are hundred if not thousands of anecdotal reports from long time alcoholics who attest that there is a difference,

sidenote regarding your meth comment - I have replaced alcohol with methamphetamines before . If you know people who gave up alcohol and instead take meth every day , good on them . But I think it is pretty common knowledge that and common sense that for most people taking meth every day is not part of a healthy or constructive lifestyle . the people you know may be outliers. It happens . But to casually suggest that using meth to quite drinking alcohol in any way resemble the choices or the experience or people who have been able to quit drinking by "substituting" kratom, is just silly . Even if you disregard all the evidence about antagonists - on a harm reduction front the comparison makes absolutely no sense. And you should expect people to respond as if you were trolling .


Since there are few controlled studies related to alcohol and opiate dependence in regard to consuming kratom , anecdotal stories are what we have . And we have A LOT of them reporting that taking kratom reduced their urges to drink alcohol and helped manage their alcohol consumption.


( cops have been coming across "kratom houses" though, very similar to meth houses . . People wander in and out with their aeropress clenched tightly in their hand . Fights break out around the freezer when someone needs a quick red bubble fix and someone already drank theirs. a line of kratom freaks waiting at the mailbox every Monday morning with a stark and depraved look in their eyes)

Yes

This is not what I'm talking about.

[IndelibleDotInk]

No magic bullet, no panacea, not a one to one replacement.

To be more clear, I stopped drinking for several years before I tried kratom. I currently am not using kratom daily. But I find the craving to drink has gone, which was not the case before.

[ba2000]

[cops have been coming across "kratom houses" though, very similar to meth houses . . People wander in and out with their aeropress clenched tightly in their hand . Fights break out around the freezer when someone needs a quick red bubble fix and someone already drank theirs. a line of kratom freaks waiting at the mailbox every Monday morning with a stark and depraved look in their eyes)

This is fucking retarded.

[IjustFeltLikeRunnin’]

[cops have been coming across "kratom houses" though, very similar to meth houses . . People wander in and out with their aeropress clenched tightly in their hand . Fights break out around the freezer when someone needs a quick red bubble fix and someone already drank theirs. a line of kratom freaks waiting at the mailbox every Monday morning with a stark and depraved look in their eyes)

This is fucking retarded.

Pretty sure it was tongue-in-cheek…

[ba2000]

[cops have been coming across "kratom houses" though, very similar to meth houses . . People wander in and out with their aeropress clenched tightly in their hand . Fights break out around the freezer when someone needs a quick red bubble fix and someone already drank theirs. a line of kratom freaks waiting at the mailbox every Monday morning with a stark and depraved look in their eyes)

This is fucking retarded.

Pretty sure it was tongue-in-cheek…

You're right. I was keyed to aggression. I gotta chill out. I've been a real grump lately.

[Fallguy]

I personally don't/wouldn't consume alcohol. Seeing what happened to this thread on alcohol reaffirms my stance.

[StringThing]

I personally don't/wouldn't consume alcohol. Seeing what happened to this thread on alcohol reaffirms my stance.

Kratom users coming in and talking shit about alcohol instead of discussing alcohol?

Because that's what happened in this thread. Everybody just wants to talk about how much they DON'T drink instead of talking about what they do drink.

Notice that this thread is about Ethanol and not kratom.

[MycatTimmy]

I tried something different for me the other day. It was a ginger ale and bourbon highball. I’m normally a sweet freak but I did enjoy this. I love the crispness of an icy cold ginger ale at any time of the day or night. It’s just so thirst quenching. I highly recommend this cocktail

[StringThing]

I tried something different for me the other day. It was a ginger ale and bourbon highball. I’m normally a sweet freak but I did enjoy this. I love the crispness of an icy cold ginger ale at any time of the day or night. It’s just so thirst quenching. I highly recommend this cocktail

That sounds right up my alley. What bourbon did you use? I would personally avoid Canadian if mixing with a sweet drink.

[IndelibleDotInk]

I tried something different for me the other day. It was a ginger ale and bourbon highball. I’m normally a sweet freak but I did enjoy this. I love the crispness of an icy cold ginger ale at any time of the day or night. It’s just so thirst quenching. I highly recommend this cocktail

That sounds right up my alley. What bourbon did you use? I would personally avoid Canadian if mixing with a sweet drink.

You would like a Moscow Mule / Dark and Stormy. Ginger beer (ginger ale but mega ginger flavor, no Canada dry here, love Reed's extra ginger and Bundaberg) and vodka.

[MycatTimmy]

I tried something different for me the other day. It was a ginger ale and bourbon highball. I’m normally a sweet freak but I did enjoy this. I love the crispness of an icy cold ginger ale at any time of the day or night. It’s just so thirst quenching. I highly recommend this cocktail

That sounds right up my alley. What bourbon did you use? I would personally avoid Canadian if mixing with a sweet drink.

I think it was a little Jim. It was really good. Especially on a hot summer day !

[StringThing]

I tried something different for me the other day. It was a ginger ale and bourbon highball. I’m normally a sweet freak but I did enjoy this. I love the crispness of an icy cold ginger ale at any time of the day or night. It’s just so thirst quenching. I highly recommend this cocktail

That sounds right up my alley. What bourbon did you use? I would personally avoid Canadian if mixing with a sweet drink.

You would like a Moscow Mule / Dark and Stormy. Ginger beer (ginger ale but mega ginger flavor, no Canada dry here, love Reed's extra ginger and Bundaberg) and vodka.

I love moscow mules. I wish I had checked this thread before going shopping lol. I think I would add some lime or lemon to that mix. Sprite + Ginger ale used to be my go to mixer for vodka.

Came back with some Zackariah Harris. It is okay. I think it has too much burn for a good sipping whiskey but I'm a big fan of the woodsy flavor.

[ba2000]

I personally don't/wouldn't consume alcohol. Seeing what happened to this thread on alcohol reaffirms my stance.

Please don't dismiss liquor because of me. I lost my mom at the start of the year and lost my nephew in Feb. It's been a rough year.
1 shot Vodka, 1 shot gin, 1 shot tequila + enough collins mix to serve
If you like Moscow mules, you'll like a Tom dick and Harry Collins

[IndelibleDotInk]

1. Every time I've taken milk thistle before bed and after a night of drinking, I never had hangovers, while normally I would have at least a headache.

2. Every time I would use dip while drunk, I would get stone cold sober within a few minutes. Gross stuff, weird effect?