general kratom effects

[fish]

I've tried to do research and read "trip" reports but I still cant understand the point of it. can i get some first-hand experience on what it actually does and how it makes you feel? Also, is there any general info on ROA and dosages as well how long it lasts for. Sorry that this sort of like an eli5 but i found information more useful from another person instead of from articles. thank you!

[brave777]

When you day trip report it makes me think of mushrooms trips or something. Have you ever drank a strong brew of coffee? well x2 that. only time people run into wds or trouble is when they had history with abuse of some pharma pills or street stuff and they think this is just another high. you wont be happy with that if that kind of trip yout looking for and you will only run into wds. Stay under 6 grams a day and take few days off here and there. Another good way of explaining, when your in the sun all day at the beach, you feel good and grounded, thats how kratom makes people feel. SUBTLE! Some days you feel nothing specially if bad life style, health no exercise, eat all junk, all that over powers kratom after a while, thats why recommended to go health nuts if you use kratom. or get clean from abuse like ciggs smoking or drinking alcohol. then hop off kratom and live a happy life.

[5p4c3M0nk3y5]

My Kratom use is completely different from Brave777. Im a recovered alcoholic (27 months sober). Ive been taking Kratom for about 6 months. I use Kratom daily. During the work week I take 2 grams in the morning and 2 grams at lunch time usually consisting of a white and green mix. When I get home from work I take 5-6 grams of a green. Then around 9 at night I take another 5-6 grams of a red for a total of 14-16 grams for the day. On the weekends I take 5-6 grams of a white or green in the morning. Then 5-6 grams in the afternoon of green and then around 8 at night I take 5-6 of a red. I total 15-18 grams a day on the weekends. When Im at work I take it in capsules. When Im home I toss and wash. I dont believe people with past troubles with addiction are they only ones who have issue with withdraws. If you take any substance over a period of time your body adapts to these substances. Then when you stop taking that substance your body can sometimes react negatively to that drastic change. How much and how long you take that substance for it to cause withdraws isnt know or the same for every person. We are all different and all react to Kratom differently. When I take 2 grams during work I feel relaxed, focused and just a general felling of calm and well being. When I take 5-6 grams I feel very relaxed and get a slight warm tingly sensation in my body (mostly in my legs and arms). Kratom also helps with my alcohol induced insomnia. The years of passing out drunk at night has destroyed my bodies ability to shut itself down. I no long have to take sleeping medication to get an 8 hours of sleep. I am a smoker, dont exercise, and dont watch what I eat. Im am completely not "health nuts". None of those things "over power" the effects of Kratom. Reading trip reports or first-hand experience isnt going to give you any idea how you are going to react to Kratom. I would like to think you have an issue that you heard Kratom might be able to help you with. I have general anxiety disorder. I started taking Kratom with the hopes of getting of the anxiety meds I was prescribed when I got sober. I do agree with Brave777 about this not being some kind of legal high. If thats what you are hoping to get you are going to be disappointed.

[brave777]

5p4c3M0nk3y5

We are all different and all react to Kratom differently. When I take 2 grams during work I feel relaxed, focused and just a general felling of calm and well being. When I take 5-6 grams I feel very relaxed and get a slight warm tingly sensation in my body (mostly in my legs and arms).

I think this the answer he is looking for, but like you said it affects everyone different. so your experience might be different for others, but we all got one thing in common, it helps calm your mind from everyday craziness and stress for sure.

Yeah seems he used the wrong words, i know how addicts talk. I do got some friends like that. Proper questions would be for fish,

"why do some decide to use kratom and how does it make you feel. and did it help?"

Then my reply would be totally different. I did have a meth friend, i tried to help him quit, he agreed and then i found out he was just using me for kratom and agreed to everything. Still used meth. Found out i was missing house items. IT FEELS BAD especially you know they lied into your face with no shame... Also he went back to rehab. So if someone looking for a trip, it makes me very mad. those are the people who make kratom look in a negative perspective. That's why it seemed like i came off a little bit aggressive. You could be using 20+gram being responsible and when you need it for legit reasons like chronic pain, stress, life problems, not to get a trip for fun. And i consider 1-6g gram a day to be extremely safe, 15+g a day your pushing it for some wds. hope this helps better.

[5p4c3M0nk3y5]

Yeah seems he used the wrong words, i know how addicts talk. I do got some friends like that.

I completely agree with you Brave777. The words he used lead me to believe that he was looking for a legal high and in my opinion that is not what Kratom is.

Proper questions would be for fish,

"why do some decide to use kratom and how does it make you feel. and did it help?"

I again 100% agree with you and my response to fish was to the question you wrote above.

We both assumed he is looking for a legal high, and we could be completely wrong. I think the best way to respond to fish would be to ask him what issues he believes kratom will help him with and go from there. If he has chronic back pain my response is completely useless.

So fish why have you been looking into kratom? What life events lead you to believe kratom might be a path that could help you?

[BallzDeep9]

Good questions. Maybe MM could pin a Kratom 101 of some kind, I recall whiffy made one but can't find where it's posted? Reddit has good basic info, general stuff on effects, "What to Expect" from kratom etc. Are you on Reddit? Read IT! Kratom 101 Strains Explained

I agree everyone's different and all, however "Kratom is Kratom" it's not gonna feel like anything else, really. It's not like, some people feel it like weed and other people get drunk off it. No.. It feels like kratom. Mitragynine is "A partial agonist at mu opioid receptors and an antagonist at the kappa and delta opioid receptors".. if you wanna get technical. That's the same for everyone. We all have those things in our body.

Trying to avoid getting into the "opioid" argument.. It's not really an opioid, according to the classic definition of that WORD - People then get into long arguments about the meaning of words. Silly. Synthetic opiates, are referred to as opioid drugs. Kratom is just a plant, a collection of many alkaloids that, together, have some weak effects that mimic those of opioids. Many other plants and foods, also have weak activity on the opioid receptors.

[5p4c3M0nk3y5]

Yes kratom is kratom but our perception of its effects vary a lot from person to person. I think the reasons we take kratom (ie pain, energy, sedation) effects our perception. I had a friend the other day ask if Kratom was good for pain. I dont have pain, so I dont know how well it works for pain. I could only say I heard it is great for pain. If he asked how well it controls my anxiety I would be able to answers that question. I read a post today talking about how RVA White Bali stood out as the best strain a member got in his last RVA shipment. I currently have (6) 250g bags from RVA open in my rotation. I find the RVA white Bali to be very under whelming. Out of the 6 open bags I would rank it last. When that person said its was his favorite we dont know why or what the reasons are that he finds it the best. Does he prefer stimulating strains while I prefer sedating strains? So he finds it the best while I rank it last. I find that is the problem with kratom reviews. I heard a lot of people say they bought some kratom because someone said it was an amazing strain. They get the "amazing" strain and its nothing special to them.

Yes Mitragynine is "A partial agonist at mu opioid receptors and an antagonist at the kappa and delta opioid receptors". It has been know for a while that people react differently to opioids that effect the mu opioid receptors. Like you said lets not get into an argument about definitions but we can at least assume if people have varying responses to mu opioids then we could also see varying responses to kratom weather we call it an opioid or not.

"Clinicians have long observed that patients can have markedly varying responses to mu opioids. Some patients may encounter severe side effects such as nausea and vomiting with one agent, while having no difficulties at all with the other. For example, it is not uncommon to find patients with severe nausea/vomiting from morphine tolerating methadone without problems. In addition, the analgesic activity of the opioids also can vary among patients. One patient may find one mu opioid to be quite effective while a different drug may not work anywhere near as well. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4014005/

[fish]

thanks for the responses, when i said "trip" report i only used that word because I didn't know what else to call the first-hand experiences I read on erowid. Fortunately for myself, i live in a place where I don't have to worry about the legality of weed so im good on that end. I turn 21 in two months and thankfully have no current addictions, i dont drink or consume nicotine at all, however I do smoke thc oil regularly, occasionally take benzo (maybe once or twice a week, mostly for help sleeping) and I do enjoy experimenting with psychedelics and research chemicals. While I do enjoy greatly recreational benefits of weed, i also use it for a lot of medicinal reasons. Its not that i dont enjoy smoking weed every day, I was just looking around for alternatives because being high 24/7 isnt my goal in life and I'd definitely like something thats not as apparent when im in public, especially since im trying to go back to school as soon as possible. As of just this past summer, I am a two time cancer survivor and the treatments were tough physically and mentally. I missed a lot of high school and developed bad social anxiety and depression from it which is luckily something that has gotten a ton better since I started smoking. While its gotten better just over time naturally, being high also greatly minimizes any anxiety or depression im feeling or felt earlier in the day. Another issue is since my bone marrow transplant at the end of the summer, my stomach lining has been very irritated and as a result i barely have any appetite and any non-bland food i eat has a fair chance at making me nauseous. luckily weed helps with both of those symptoms too.

Even though its medicinal effects seem helpful, I won't lie and say im not interested in potential recreational effects it might have as well. I'd consider myself an amateur psychonaut and I really do enjoy putting myself into new altered states of mind. As a result of that I appreciate any helpful advice regarding either of Kratoms beneficial effects, whether it be the recreational ones or the medicinal ones. All information I've read about Kratom in articles and blogs make it seem like some sort of super drug which cures every symptom and makes you feel perfect but that description was just way too vague for me which is why i wanted to learn more about its specific effects, different types of kratom as well as proper dosing for a first time user. Thanks for all the help

[brave777]

Ahhh nice to know where you coming from, best bet, get like 6 samples and try one by one. some strains you will like and some strains you wont. best start with very low, 1 gram, and bump one gram until you reach 4 grams every 30 min to see where your sweet spot is. and yes its beyond to good to be true. i personal think if every single person started with 3 grams in the morning every day, there would be no wars and people would treat each other much nicer. I seen plenty of videos on youtube, type "iamkratom" where many people just grab their hand and push all different pill bottles into trash and only use kratom. what you read is true and its not anecdotes. I think the reason they want to ban it is because its all in one package deal. also if you do green or white strains, they good for work, school. reds are good at home or after job or sleep. greens and whites wont make you look like your high like weed if thats what your asking. i have friends who switched to kratom instead weed, it will also make you drop bad habits if you put your mind into it. Try to stick low doses and take few days every week if can to not raise tolerance. If you do go over 8 grams a day and every day for months, you will experience wds but its nothing compare to subs. thats why important not to skip your break days.

[fish]

thanks for the quick response I was reading the Kratom 101 reddit thread someone else linked and the red strains definitely peaked my interest however a sample pack seems like a great idea. Is there a specific online vendor youd recommend? I'm not sure where I'd be able to pick it up in person

[brave777]

If you want to do fast test of how kratom feels, stop by any smoke shops near you, they should have some, sure you will over pay a little but dont spend over 10$, if you get pill form, it should not be more then 1$ each. get 2 different red strains, 5 caps each. start with 2, wait 30 min then add another .5, until you run out, unless you feel it in 30 min, dont add any more. try start empty stomach, but after first 2 caps a banana or something is fine, and plenty of water. but if you go here in general, i think might be third post?" Vendors with Samples List Apr. 2018" vendor samples, scroll thought all that and see if anyone got some samples you interested in. Also if you feel nothing at all, it doesnt mean its not working, it just you didnt reach a sweet spot, everyone has one, instead two caps start with 4 caps, each cap is .5 gram i think. if that is 00, some sell 000 caps and this almsot or close to a gram. If dont mind taste i prefer dissolving into hot water and drinking it up with a chaser on a side to remove bitterness taste. Any way best wishes and happy MERRY CHRISTMAS!