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[froggy33]

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[KurtisCards]

I feel like i never hear good things about plantation from BB. I have never tried to communicate with any kratom vendor when i get something that sucks, feel like there are no guarantees in this game, and if something doesn't hit you right, or makes you feel like shit. store it or trash it and move on.

you never know, i have had some stuff that just seemed super strong, or fucked up, left it alone for a year or so, and it was awesome when i tried it again.

[BallzDeep9]

Horrible customer service.

Not really... you got what you ordered ?? This isn't like SoSa where U order and nothing gets shipped?

Everyone please understand - Kratom is sold, Not For Human Consumption. NO vendor, I repeat, NO established vendor will Reply to anyone complaining they got "dizzy" from consuming their kratom!! BB is a medium size, popular vendor who hasn't yet gone Private...

Curious. Why order the Plantation, when he's got TWO (2) good PMD now ?? And a Maeng Da 2008, and a couple new JongKong? Just sayin'... there is NO guarantee that all "strains" are the same, or equally good...

[Jestrice2002]

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Everyone please understand - Kratom is sold, Not For Human Consumption. NO vendor, I repeat, NO established vendor will Reply to anyone complaining they got "dizzy" from consuming their kratom!!

Say it louder, for the people in the back! So important...

[CatfatherB]

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Everyone please understand - Kratom is sold, Not For Human Consumption. NO vendor, I repeat, NO established vendor will Reply to anyone complaining they got "dizzy" from consuming their kratom!!

Say it louder, for the people in the back! So important...

We have vendors here that have recommended servings and others who have NFHC.. which one should it be?

[Jestrice2002]

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Everyone please understand - Kratom is sold, Not For Human Consumption. NO vendor, I repeat, NO established vendor will Reply to anyone complaining they got "dizzy" from consuming their kratom!!

Say it louder, for the people in the back! So important...

We have vendors here that have recommended servings and others who have NFHC.. which one should it be?

I think, to protect themselves, they should be careful. Obviously, they shouldn't promote consumption on sites /advertisements, and you never know who you can trust via chat /email. It only takes one ass to get someone in hot water, unfortunately.

Of course, when they do give advice, it's appreciated... But I still see it as risky.

[BallzDeep9]

... you never know who you can trust via chat /email. It only takes one ass to get someone in hot water, unfortunately.

Yes and sadly, the kratom biz is known for dirty players "Big Kratom", looking to mess with low-price popular vendors like BB.. Email is written proof.. same with Chat rooms. Smiley shut down his MeWe and went private... Last month AKA started a web page, for the purpose of snitching on vendors.

Kratom is "unregulated" thanks to DSHEA ~ Kratom should be grandfathered in to DSHEA! Until that gets resolved... hopefully in coming years (when Democrats are elected & control FDA!), until then.. afaik all vendors around MM, sell their leaf as NFHC. Terms on every vendor's website.

[LeafersonJr32]

Horrible customer service.

Not really... you got what you ordered ?? This isn't like SoSa where U order and nothing gets shipped?

Everyone please understand - Kratom is sold, Not For Human Consumption. NO vendor, I repeat, NO established vendor will Reply to anyone complaining they got "dizzy" from consuming their kratom!! BB is a medium size, popular vendor who hasn't yet gone Private...

Curious. Why order the Plantation, when he's got TWO (2) good PMD now ?? And a Maeng Da 2008, and a couple new JongKong? Just sayin'... there is NO guarantee that all "strains" are the same, or equally good...

Amen Ballz I sometimes too you just get something that doesnt hit you well and maybe others really liked it. All the time I will see my friend love a batch and then I try it and dont think its that great at all and vice versa.

[LeafersonJr32]

... you never know who you can trust via chat /email. It only takes one ass to get someone in hot water, unfortunately.

Yes and sadly, the kratom biz is known for dirty players "Big Kratom", looking to mess with low-price popular vendors like BB.. Email is written proof.. same with Chat rooms. Smiley shut down his MeWe and went private... Last month AKA started a web page, for the purpose of snitching on vendors.

Kratom is "unregulated" thanks to DSHEA ~ Kratom should be grandfathered in to DSHEA! Until that gets resolved... hopefully in coming years (when Democrats are elected & control FDA!), until then.. afaik all vendors around MM, sell their leaf as NFHC. Terms on every vendor's website.

Vendors definitely use some very dirty tactics and you are right about everything said about kratom here or anywhere else will be exploited by someone thats one reason I hate when I see people comment about euphoria or opie related comments like their pupils and stuff because all stuff like that will do is give them fuel for their fire. I also really hate seeing people talking about trying to get some sort of buzz feeling from it or complaining about not getting one from it. Kratom is a plant that increases quality of life for certain people and thats how I tell everyone about why I use it. I guarantee you ar sone point someone will be going through thousands of comments to try and find something they can use against us from this forum.
And ballz do you honestly think that democrats or Republicans care about making consumer freedoms for kratom? Many many democrats have been hardcore against kratom in the last few years and big pharma is deep in with both parties and as long as they are both parties will push to have kratom illegal or limit it as much as they can(like they already are) I'm not on either side politically at this point because I think they are both bad for us

[Greyfeather]

Kratom is "unregulated" thanks to DSHEA ~ Kratom should be grandfathered in to DSHEA! Until that gets resolved... hopefully in coming years (when Democrats are elected & control FDA!), until then.. afaik all vendors around MM, sell their leaf as NFHC. Terms on every vendor's website.

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Wow, I sure do have a lot of soap-making in my future

And Ballz, I think you have seen that website Speciosa Republic https://speciosarepublic.org/? I still don't know what to make of them, but they sure do seem 'snitchy' as all get-out.

[onespeedstop]

The not for human consumption warning serves two purposes, 1) can't hardly sue someone for misuse of a product, and 2) they are able to skirt a crapton of laws in regards to how it is handled/packaged/tested/etc. The good side is that it gives us a lot of vendors, and low prices. The downside is of course contaminants. I've only ever read about 2 or 3 kratom recalls though, so I have to assume the contaminants thing is a minor problem if it is one at all.

He took kratom and got dizzy ? Quick ! Someone call his mom !! Seriously, take less, drink water, relax.